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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 11:18 AM
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350sbc corvette 1969. Th400 auto trans. New 168 tooth flexplate. New mini starter. Question is the starter gear going far enough onto the ring gear? It only goes half way.

Also look at all the flecks of steel flying off? I believe it's from the flexplate. This is the first time running.
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 12:48 PM
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i am not crazy about that. shut car off. pull starter gear out all the way. does it come farther out than pic shows? you may be returning that starter.
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 01:39 PM
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https://www.dbelectrical.com/product...sdr0019-l.html

it does Not have the R terminal for OE points distributors ... otherwise superior to just about all else ... OE for later model iron 350 motors 168T

PMGR permanent magnet gear reduction ... light small Very powerful & reliable ... $50 delivered
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jackson
https://www.dbelectrical.com/product...sdr0019-l.html

it does Not have the R terminal for OE points distributors ... otherwise superior to just about all else ... OE for later model iron 350 motors 168T

PMGR permanent magnet gear reduction ... light small Very powerful & reliable ... $50 delivered
Use this one for the R terminal. Its what I use after trying two different starters.
https://www.dbelectrical.com/product...aro-67-81.html
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 02:58 PM
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I tried two of those and after having have of my flexplate start getting chewed up I swapped it out for one of the smaller S10 style starters which has worked flawlessly for me. I had the same issue with one and the other was only engaging intermittently despite shims and messing with it for hours.
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 04:02 PM
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https://www.dbelectrical.com/product...ong-bolts.html

This starter DOES HAVE the R terminal for OE points distributors ... otherwise superior to just about all else ... OE for later model iron 350 motors 168T

PMGR permanent magnet gear reduction ... light small Very powerful & reliable ... $52 delivered

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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 04:43 PM
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50% engagement is about the most you can get out of most aftermarket starters
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Old Jul 27, 2019 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CAMS69
350sbc corvette 1969. Th400 auto trans. New 168 tooth flexplate. New mini starter. Question is the starter gear going far enough onto the ring gear? It only goes half way.

Also look at all the flecks of steel flying off? I believe it's from the flexplate. This is the first time running.
You need to shim the starter engagement, that is why you have material coming off the flex plate. 50% depth is correct for all starters. Follow the instructions and shim it correctly. Here is a video.

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Old Jul 28, 2019 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter13
You need to shim the starter engagement, that is why you have material coming off the flex plate. 50% depth is correct for all starters. Follow the instructions and shim it correctly. Here is a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FZA8dsG7Ls
At approx 2' 42" Summit tech says teeth should engage approx 75%
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Originally Posted by jackson
At approx 2' 42" Summit tech says teeth should engage approx 75%
It says it will extend 75% into the flywheel but there only about 50% engagement. The gear is back cut away from the end of the shaft. same as all other chevy starters.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter13
It says it will extend 75% into the flywheel but there only about 50% engagement. The gear is back cut away from the end of the shaft. same as all other chevy starters.
That makes good sense ... 50% leaves the other half when flipping worn manual flywheels' ring gear over ... thanks
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Those adjustable style mini starters are nothing but junk. There is ALWAYS problems with the gear engagement on them, no matter how you shim them. They will still always bind off, hit the flex plate, get hung up in the flex plate after starting etc. There is always some BS with them. The fix is the DB Electric type starter with the nose cone and supported starter gear..(like stock). The starter gears have more beveling on the teeth for smoother engagement, and the gear is supported on the extended side, so it doesn’t flex and get hung up.

The DB electric ones are good. I actually run a an OReilys autopart store brand Ultima for a 1997 Vortec 350. It’s tiny, has staggered starter bolt holes so the starter doesn’t shift. It’s plenty strong and has great clearance. No shimming required and it’s quiet as can be. About $190 at O Reilly’s for a new one with lifetime warranty. Make sure to get the metric shank starter bolts needed for proper fitment. Any Chevy dealer has them for $15.
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Those adjustable style mini starters are nothing but junk. There is ALWAYS problems with the gear engagement on them, no matter how you shim them. They will still always bind off, hit the flex plate, get hung up in the flex plate after starting etc. There is always some BS with them. The fix is the DB Electric type starter with the nose cone and supported starter gear..(like stock). The starter gears have more beveling on the teeth for smoother engagement, and the gear is supported on the extended side, so it doesn’t flex and get hung up.

The DB electric ones are good. I actually run a an OReilys autopart store brand Ultima for a 1997 Vortec 350. It’s tiny, has staggered starter bolt holes so the starter doesn’t shift. It’s plenty strong and has great clearance. No shimming required and it’s quiet as can be. About $190 at O Reilly’s for a new one with lifetime warranty. Make sure to get the metric shank starter bolts needed for proper fitment. Any Chevy dealer has them for $15.
That the same experience I've had .. and also what I meant by the S10 starter in my earlier post.. everyone I talked to to help me get it shimmied right told me they are a pain in the a$$ to setup and get working reliably. The vortec starter cost me like 50 bucks new on Ebay 5 years ago and zero issues since the day I bolted it in. I also have a higher compression engine.

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I use and will use nothing but the CVR Hi-torque.........the "R" part number has the R terminal......
http://www.cvrproducts.com/product/c...ooth-flywheel/

Read this:
https://www.cvrproducts.com/starter-technical-notes/#

I have used CVR starters on about 12-13 different Chevy's now and the oldest one in 2006 is still working......


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Do NOT go with any PMGR starter with a plastic ring gear. I'ts only a matter of time until it leaves you stranded.

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Theses are the starters I have been using, they are made by Powermaster and sold re-branded by Summit and Jegs.

Zero issues with all three.

https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/10001/10002/-1

https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/10012/10002/-1

And the economy one.

https://www.jegs.com/i/Powermaster/713/9100/10002/-1
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Originally Posted by Kid Vette
Do NOT go with any PMGR starter with a plastic ring gear. I'ts only a matter of time until it leaves you stranded.

If you don't like planetary ring gear aka track gear yours has ...
you can get a replacement metal gear for under $13 delivered
Amazon Amazon

Direct
https://www.maniacelectricmotors.com/58404502.html

https://www.amscovf.com/STATIONARY-G..._p_307872.html

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