Solid roller lifters? Morel, Howards, Comp, etc?
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Solid roller lifters? Morel, Howards, Comp, etc?
Getting ready for solid roller cam for SBC 421 build using a Dart SHP block.
I know I need the +.300 high lifters to clear the lifter boses. And they should be installed before putting the heads in place.
Looking at price=quality factor, there is quite a variety in prices. And differences in bearings (roller) vs bushing styles. Prices anywhere from $200 (used Nascar lifters) to $1000 versions.
I see Morel tossed around here a lot.
What is a good recommendation for solid roller lifters with a target of .600 lift on the cam?
I'd like to think under $500 is a good price point.
And where is the best deal available?
Thanks
Dennis
I know I need the +.300 high lifters to clear the lifter boses. And they should be installed before putting the heads in place.
Looking at price=quality factor, there is quite a variety in prices. And differences in bearings (roller) vs bushing styles. Prices anywhere from $200 (used Nascar lifters) to $1000 versions.
I see Morel tossed around here a lot.
What is a good recommendation for solid roller lifters with a target of .600 lift on the cam?
I'd like to think under $500 is a good price point.
And where is the best deal available?
Thanks
Dennis
Last edited by bmans vette; Dec 7, 2019 at 12:30 PM.
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Regardless what you do with the motor, hope you begin with a billet core & Not a cast core of any sort.
What will you do with with motor and how long/far should it last ?
Bushed most durable but doubt any USA are $500 ... top Isky bushed are over $1K
Crower also hi-grade also $$$$
Bigger OD body allows bigger OD wheel = $$$$
Keyed v. linked is more durable = $$$$
Dunno which nascar rollers you looked at but those may be bigger than .842" ... unless they were from limited late model etc.
What will you do with with motor and how long/far should it last ?
Bushed most durable but doubt any USA are $500 ... top Isky bushed are over $1K
Crower also hi-grade also $$$$
Bigger OD body allows bigger OD wheel = $$$$
Keyed v. linked is more durable = $$$$
Dunno which nascar rollers you looked at but those may be bigger than .842" ... unless they were from limited late model etc.
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Regardless what you do with the motor, hope you begin with a billet core & Not a cast core of any sort.
What will you do with with motor and how long/far should it last ?
Bushed most durable but doubt any USA are $500 ... top Isky bushed are over $1K
Crower also hi-grade also $$$$
Bigger OD body allows bigger OD wheel = $$$$
Keyed v. linked is more durable = $$$$
Dunno which nascar rollers you looked at but those may be bigger than .842" ... unless they were from limited late model etc.
What will you do with with motor and how long/far should it last ?
Bushed most durable but doubt any USA are $500 ... top Isky bushed are over $1K
Crower also hi-grade also $$$$
Bigger OD body allows bigger OD wheel = $$$$
Keyed v. linked is more durable = $$$$
Dunno which nascar rollers you looked at but those may be bigger than .842" ... unless they were from limited late model etc.
Thanks Jack..
The lifter bosses in the version of the Dart SHP I have are stock .842.
The car/motor will not see a lot of road time. More of a weekender and maybe Power Tour.
Some examples:
Lunati
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunati-Valv...oAAOSw1NJbNCTG
Howard's
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Howards-Cam...YAAOSwkTZdyUCB
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Howards-Cam...YAAOSw2k5dyUDC
Morel's
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOREL-SBC-C...QAAOSw449dd~W1
thought I read someone here was a Morel distributor and could give us a better forum price?
Crower $$$
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cro-66321lm-16/
Used Comp Cams set
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Comp-Cams-S...QAAOSwLN5WjA37
New Comp Cams
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COMP-Cams-E...rd!30607!US!-1
And then the sundry cheap Chines knock offs for $250....
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I used brand X and it was a very expensive mistake when it failed.
I have Crane Ultra pro in both of my motors
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...BoCHwkQAvD_BwE
I have Crane Ultra pro in both of my motors
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...BoCHwkQAvD_BwE
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Dennis, I am using the Morel bushing lifters. Bought them from Chris Straub, as Jackson noted above, for the best price I could find. Obviously no street time yet but the sizing was perfect which I have read is an issue with some of the others. I would definitely suggest buying your lifters before you machine the block so you can dial them in perfectly. Come on over buddy! Let me know if I can help.
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it seems they leave a little extra for final fitting.
I expect more machine work than just boring to 4.155.
Thanks for the info.
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St. Jude Donor '12-'13, '15- '16-'17-'18-'19, '21
Perhaps the Morel dealer is here ?
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...traubtech.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...traubtech.html
Thanks.
I'll reach out to Straub.
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Dennis, I am using the Morel bushing lifters. Bought them from Chris Straub, as Jackson noted above, for the best price I could find. Obviously no street time yet but the sizing was perfect which I have read is an issue with some of the others. I would definitely suggest buying your lifters before you machine the block so you can dial them in perfectly. Come on over buddy! Let me know if I can help.
What you said about getting the lifters first before the machine work, I totally agree.
I'll have everything but the cam before going to the machine shop. Pretty close.
Yeah, I keep thinking of giving you a call to see your beast very soon.
Thanks
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I used brand X and it was a very expensive mistake when it failed.
I have Crane Ultra pro in both of my motors
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...BoCHwkQAvD_BwE
I have Crane Ultra pro in both of my motors
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...BoCHwkQAvD_BwE
Was brand x any of the ones I listed?
No sense considering that particular brand.
Thanks
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So no comment on these Morel's
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOREL-SBC-C...8/352664433878
Not sure where these by Straub fit in for my usage. Solid roller with .600 or little more and a 230-240 deg @.050
Less money but why?
https://view.publitas.com/summit-mar...talog/page/6-7
#4604
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOREL-SBC-C...8/352664433878
Not sure where these by Straub fit in for my usage. Solid roller with .600 or little more and a 230-240 deg @.050
Less money but why?
https://view.publitas.com/summit-mar...talog/page/6-7
#4604
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You know what tears up a lifter? High spring pressure and idling.....yep, idling. We knew this over 25 years ago when the first NMCA guys tried driving their cars around.......talk about fail-blog.
Anyway......the best bang for the buck in the lifter world is the Crower. Money no object? Isky Red Zone. There may be others out there......but stay away from the $300 Comp lifters.....
Both Isky and Crower have oiling options too.....and be aware of them when you purchase. We never kept oil option lifters on the shelf....I doubt anyone else does either as they are a custom card and require 4 weeks to build.
Jebby
Anyway......the best bang for the buck in the lifter world is the Crower. Money no object? Isky Red Zone. There may be others out there......but stay away from the $300 Comp lifters.....
Both Isky and Crower have oiling options too.....and be aware of them when you purchase. We never kept oil option lifters on the shelf....I doubt anyone else does either as they are a custom card and require 4 weeks to build.
Jebby
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Ok I'll be the odd man out and ask the question with .600 lift could you run a hydraulic lifter and not need to worry about periodic checking clearance and adjustment without valve float? I'm by no means a SBC 421 cube expert just asking the question. On my 6.2 LS I'm running .623 lift with 220I-230E 114 CL with stock LS7 lifters. Rev limiter set at a very safe 6500.
I suspect you can rev much higher with a solid lifter but with the 421 cubes and good heads will you really need to?
Again just asking the question.
I suspect you can rev much higher with a solid lifter but with the 421 cubes and good heads will you really need to?
Again just asking the question.
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Ok I'll be the odd man out and ask the question with .600 lift could you run a hydraulic lifter and not need to worry about periodic checking clearance and adjustment without valve float? I'm by no means a SBC 421 cube expert just asking the question. On my 6.2 LS I'm running .623 lift with 220I-230E 114 CL with stock LS7 lifters. Rev limiter set at a very safe 6500.
I suspect you can rev much higher with a solid lifter but with the 421 cubes and good heads will you really need to?
Again just asking the question.
I suspect you can rev much higher with a solid lifter but with the 421 cubes and good heads will you really need to?
Again just asking the question.
Jebby
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So no comment on these Morel's
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOREL-SBC-C...8/352664433878
Not sure where these by Straub fit in for my usage. Solid roller with .600 or little more and a 230-240 deg @.050
Less money but why?
https://view.publitas.com/summit-mar...talog/page/6-7
#4604
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOREL-SBC-C...8/352664433878
Not sure where these by Straub fit in for my usage. Solid roller with .600 or little more and a 230-240 deg @.050
Less money but why?
https://view.publitas.com/summit-mar...talog/page/6-7
#4604
The delema is the center to center distance of the lifters. Preventing push rod angularity. I use .180