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Hello there, I just ordered all of the Parts from Moog thru Rockauto, that I need to overhaul my complete Control Arms. So far so good, delivery was quick and the total price had been less then thru other stores. I thought Moog parts are all genuine Made in the USA, and thats why I choose Moog. I didnt want anything that had been produced overseas (China) or even Mexico. Now guess what exept for the control Arm Bushings (Moog K304) where the country of origin had been Mexico here, all of the rest of the parts from Moog had been made in China!!!! (Ball joints upper and lower, and Contol Arm shaft Kid)
Have Moog Parts allways been made out of the US? Or are there Two types of quality that one can purchase from Moog (Made in the USA vs. Made out of the USA?)
Does that mean now my parts are poor quality even they are from Moog? I really did not want to support them Chinese specialists that came up with corona... Oh well, another lesson learned! Cheers
I got the exact same parts from the exact same place. Looked to me like they had been repackaged at least once and had been on some shelf quite a while. But they all seemed correct, of decent quality and installed perfectly. More important (and it sounds like you've aaready done this) take a close look. I bought mine in advance and found a nick in a rubber boot that would have been easily exchanged had I noticed it soon enough.
Makes my head hurt about sourcing. I make best effort for local, then made in the USA and then wherever else.
See, my question is here, is a Moog part the same quality if it is not produced in the USA? With NONE of my Moog parts the country of origin had been the USA!!!! All made in China, and one part made in MEXICO... So is it all poor quality now? I really do NOT want to do the entire work twice within a few thousand miles.... What is Your experience with "made in China" parts from Moog! I`d apreciate any feedback, Thank You!
See, my question is here, is a Moog part the same quality if it is not produced in the USA? With NONE of my Moog parts the country of origin had been the USA!!!! All made in China, and one part made in MEXICO... So is it all poor quality now? I really do NOT want to do the entire work twice within a few thousand miles.... What is Your experience with "made in China" parts from Moog! I`d apreciate any feedback, Thank You!
nothing i had was china s cannot comment..if i did it over i would seek out usa vendor...i think some vendorsstate USA
like this correct says usa..need riv nut or rivet though
my bolt on balljoints were U.S.A.
if you dont mess up upper ball joint keep it if ok..heard they never go bad?
Moog has had plants in China for a couple of decades, most of the older parts (ie our cars) were low production and made in usa/mexico but I can only imaging that the stock had to run out at some time and wage for wage it's a lot cheaper in China so...
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When I replaced my front hubs last year on Silverado 4x4. I spent weeks researching origin of the major quality brands (Moog, Timkin, AC Delco, etc). It is impossible to find any brand that will proclaim “All USA made” since the individual components will be sourced differently (bearings, races, casings, etc).
I don’t even mind Mexico or Canada since our cars are mostly made there anyway. I just will not install cheap Chinese garbage in my car unless there is absolutely no other source.
I finally had to just go with Genuine AC Delco hubs and hope for the best. They did fit perfect and seemed of very high quality.
See, my question is here, is a Moog part the same quality if it is not produced in the USA? With NONE of my Moog parts the country of origin had been the USA!!!! All made in China, and one part made in MEXICO... So is it all poor quality now? I really do NOT want to do the entire work twice within a few thousand miles.... What is Your experience with "made in China" parts from Moog! I`d apreciate any feedback, Thank You!
Where exactly do you think most of the parts in a new chevy come from? Hell a growing portion of chevy vehicles are entirely being made in the old deawoo factories in korea now which GM bought a few years back.
This is the way it works now more often than not... Years ago I had to do some work for timken (The bearing company) and was sad to learn they have only been making bearings for industrial applications for years now and have subcontracted their automotive bearing to companies overseas. Went through the same crap when trying to replace some suspension parts on my girlfriends old ford... I could buy "genuine" ford replacement parts which were made in china for literally 3 times as much as quite possibly the same chinese parts purchased through dearborn axle. Personally I do not blame china as much as I do the american companies making greater profits off this shell game and the the people who fall for this and propagate it.
Last edited by augiedoggy; Oct 10, 2020 at 02:33 AM.
When I replaced my front hubs last year on Silverado 4x4. I spent weeks researching origin of the major quality brands (Moog, Timkin, AC Delco, etc). It is impossible to find any brand that will proclaim “All USA made” since the individual components will be sourced differently (bearings, races, casings, etc).
I don’t even mind Mexico or Canada since our cars are mostly made there anyway. I just will not install cheap Chinese garbage in my car unless there is absolutely no other source.
I finally had to just go with Genuine AC Delco hubs and hope for the best. They did fit perfect and seemed of very high quality.
AC delco has been largely rebranded chinese stuff for a while too... There was another tread on this recently.
Its worth mentioning to be aware if anything that often Now days american branded cars are mostly assembled in mexico or canada using largely chinese components and ironically the Japanese manufacturers seem to value american manufacturing more now... My old honda ridgeline was one of the most american made trucks made in the US with more american components back in the day and a quick google search revealed that was still the case last year... More american than the 24 year old dodge ram I had before it that was made in Mexico.. All the Totoya camrys my employer has supplied me over the years were made in the USA as well...
BTW the GM Tonawanda engine plant was a customer of mine for years and they stopped being a customer when they very rudely explained to me that they would not allow my onsite with my company car to repair their (foreign made) machines because my "POS" camry was not union made...They went on to explain that they do not care at all that its an american made vehicle or not.. Just that its union made. And this is part of the problem in my opinion. Ironically I bought my used ridgeline from a GM employee at the former Harrison radiator plant where they make radiators that foreign car manufacturers buy while at the same time GM ofen chooses to buy theirs from china instead of using their own manufacturing company here in the states..
Last edited by augiedoggy; Oct 10, 2020 at 02:36 AM.
AC delco has been largely rebranded chinese stuff for a while too... There was another tread on this recently.
Its worth mentioning to be aware if anything that often Now days american branded cars are mostly assembled in mexico or canada using largely chinese components and ironically the Japanese manufacturers seem to value american manufacturing more now... My old honda ridgeline was one of the most american made trucks made in the US with more american components back in the day and a quick google search revealed that was still the case last year... More american than the 24 year old dodge ram I had before it that was made in Mexico.. All the Totoya camrys my employer has supplied me over the years were made in the USA as well...
BTW the GM Tonawanda engine plant was a customer of mine for years and they stopped being a customer when they very rudely explained to me that they would not allow my onsite with my company car to repair their (foreign made) machines because my "POS" camry was not union made...They went on to explain that they do not care at all that its an american made vehicle or not.. Just that its union made. And this is part of the problem in my opinion. Ironically I bought my used ridgeline from a GM employee at the former Harrison radiator plant where they make radiators that foreign car manufacturers buy while at the same time GM ofen chooses to buy theirs from china instead of usi
ng their own manufacturing company here in the states..
haha totally agree..when i went to st louis assembly for dodge trucks before they closed..my honda ridgeline at the time...#2 american made content and assembly only to the f150...was keyed all to hell because idiots don’t think..
btw ford is the worst for china...they use the f150 and mustang for claims and marketing..quite smartly i might add...
Last edited by interpon; Oct 10, 2020 at 05:22 AM.
I think the pendulum is swinging back slowly.
i refuse to shop at Harbor Freight anymore. The prices are great, but everything is made in China. Too much returned junk over the years and an obvious trend over the last decade to seeing the USA owned in Beijing. I will not be a part of it, even if I can’t stop it.
I got no beef with Mexico. In fact, all the people I know from Mexico or SA are just here to make a living. I spend a lot of time in the Corpus area and see this a lot. Sure they have criminals, but last time I checked, I think the good Ol USA has its share of knuckleheads too. I will buy Mexican made parts.
Canada. Well, what can you say? They’re Canadians! Kinda like your brother-in-law. Sometimes they act strange, but overall not bad. I will buy their stuff.
This is nothing new, manufacturing of these parts in other countries started decades ago.
I bought all new MOOG suspension parts for my 77 way back in the early 1990s, still have many not installed yet.
Federal-Mogul purchased MOOG in the 1990s and this is when the transitioning began form USA to Mexico and Canadian made parts.
You would think that a corporation like Federal-Mogul and branding the MOOG name producing suspension parts overseas that they would still have some quality control standards to protect there good name.
So what brand name suspension parts are still made in North America?
Guess I was just lucky, Some MOOG and some Federal-Mogul with the MOOG branding but all USA made.
I think the pendulum is swinging back slowly.
i refuse to shop at Harbor Freight anymore. The prices are great, but everything is made in China. Too much returned junk over the years and an obvious trend over the last decade to seeing the USA owned in Beijing. I will not be a part of it, even if I can’t stop it.
I got no beef with Mexico. In fact, all the people I know from Mexico or SA are just here to make a living. I spend a lot of time in the Corpus area and see this a lot. Sure they have criminals, but last time I checked, I think the good Ol USA has its share of knuckleheads too. I will buy Mexican made parts.
Canada. Well, what can you say? They’re Canadians! Kinda like your brother-in-law. Sometimes they act strange, but overall not bad. I will buy their stuff.
China...nope.
obviously you cannot avoid china but don’t discount Taiwan as they are much higher quality in general ....and hates china...
harbor freight still sells a fair share of taiwan
obviously you cannot avoid china but don’t discount Taiwan as they are much higher quality in general ....and hates china...
harbor freight still sells a fair share of taiwan
That form had been supplied along with the parts inside the shippment box. In the top right corner You can read "Rockauto.com" as it is the company I ordered with. My sales invoice doesnt show the country of origin of the parts, just this one that came with the shippment!
That form had been supplied along with the parts inside the shippment box. In the top right corner You can read "Rockauto.com" as it is the company I ordered with. My sales invoice doesnt show the country of origin of the parts, just this one that came with the shippment!
Big dissapointment - Moog Parts!
