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Old Feb 1, 2021 | 06:03 PM
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Has anybody with a born with engine, bell housing and trans ever had one out of spec? I am going to drop the trans (again) for another purpose and have not performed this check. I'd like to avoid pulling the pressure plate and disk off, but if there is a compelling reason to check the spec, then maybe I would.

The reason I have not performed this check during previous trans drops is because this is all original equipment, car shifts extremely well and the pilot bushing was not worn when I removed the old one.

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I don't really know myself Sammy. I have a 77 with original engine and trans. I've had the trans out twice in the 30 plus years I've owned her. Like you everything is working fine. So I guess, Why fix what ain't broke!
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Old Feb 1, 2021 | 06:38 PM
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Assuming you have a trusty Muncie and it has been behaving well, no worries. On the other hand, if you are putting in a Tremec, you need to dial it in, no matter how long it has been in as the Tremecs don’t play well with a non-concentric connection.
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When I blew up my clutch on my first night out, back in 2010, my buddy and I did the job in his garage.

he recommended doing a concentric test, and the factory bell housing was out of spec. We used the Lakewood offset dowels.

just a guess but I bet alot of them are off, but the Muncie will egg out the pilot bushing and still work anyway. Clutch goes, change bushing and the circle of life continues.
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I didn't even know such a check was needed much less might actually be required... I subsequently found out it is required for newer transmissions like the Tremec and they have fairly tight specs (expecially for high performance installs). Is it required for for a M20 mated to a pretty basic 300ishHP motor in a non-racing environment? If so, what are those parallel and concentric specs??

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Originally Posted by nwav8tor
I didn't even know such a check was needed much less might actually be required... I subsequently found out it is required for newer transmissions like the Tremec and they have fairly tight specs (expecially for high performance installs). Is it required for for a M20 mated to a pretty basic 300ishHP motor in a non-racing environment? If so, what are those parallel and concentric specs??

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Its not really required for a Muncie, Saginaw, or Borg Warner trans. If you are switching to a Tremec you need to check it. The input shaft bearing on a Tremec doesn’t tolerate being off Center like a Muncie does.
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Originally Posted by drwet
Its not really required for a Muncie, Saginaw, or Borg Warner trans. If you are switching to a Tremec you need to check it. The input shaft bearing on a Tremec doesn’t tolerate being off Center like a Muncie does.
Well, I guess that covers my question. Gracias gents!
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Originally Posted by nwav8tor
I didn't even know such a check was needed much less might actually be required... I subsequently found out it is required for newer transmissions like the Tremec and they have fairly tight specs (expecially for high performance installs). Is it required for for a M20 mated to a pretty basic 300ishHP motor in a non-racing environment? If so, what are those parallel and concentric specs??

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I was just going to follow the .005 or less rule and try to get it around .002. Just another thing to check when I have the trans out.
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I bent the arm on my magnetic base for dial indicator. You think about offset dowels as cam lobes. I recommend the long allen locking type of offset dowels. You install them the same direction and move them in conjunction. So if you have .007 offset and they are both at 12 o'clock. You are raising the bell housing .007. If you rotate them both to 3 o'clock you have moved it right .007



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1st dirty harry movie: "I gots ta know!" you have nothing to lose by checking it. do you feel lucky?
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One of the best movies. Coffee Shop scene in Sudden Impact is pretty good too.

Well, gonna measure the bell housing runout and report back on findings. In the meantime, ordering the long .007 offsets just to have them on hand if needed.
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Originally Posted by Sammy T
One of the best movies. Coffee Shop scene in Sudden Impact is pretty good too.

Well, gonna measure the bell housing runout and report back on findings. In the meantime, ordering the long .007 offsets just to have them on hand if needed.
You should probably wait until you have completed the measurement. .007" may not be the size you need.
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Originally Posted by drwet
You should probably wait until you have completed the measurement. .007" may not be the size you need.
I have sets of all sizes in my toolbox from when I used to do this on too many cars. The longer and the Allen locking are all I buy
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