C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Did I push Harmonic Balancer too far in?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 12:29 AM
  #1  
Mario Barrios's Avatar
Mario Barrios
Thread Starter
Advanced
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
From: California
Default Did I push Harmonic Balancer too far in?

I have a 69 Roadster with the base 350. Had the engine rebuilt and today I installed the harmonic balancer. I bought a bolt and washer from Oreilly. Lined it up with the notch and pushed it in and hit it with my plastic hammer but it would only go in about 1/2 inch. I pulled it off and then cleanep up the surfaces a bit and then I used my hand sledge to pound it far enough for the bolt and washer to catch some threads and then I used my impact gun to drive it in as far as it would go. The front of the balancer protrudes about 1/4 inch in front of the leading edge of the timing marker. Now, when I fit the water pump pulley, the grooves are too far forward of the crank pulley grooves.

I have read about the differences in short and long pumps. The pump I have is an Oreilly "Murray Temp Control" model CP898 and I looked it up and is the correct one. The back of the pump is up against the timing cover which I have read is another indicator that I have the correct pump.

I am using the original balancer and water pump pulley. Did I hit the Harmonic Balancer too far in? HELP!




Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 03:13 AM
  #2  
wwiiavfan's Avatar
wwiiavfan
Drifting
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,567
Likes: 576
From: Wisconsin
Default

You can’t push it on too far, it has a shoulder it bottoms against on the crank.
It is not a good idea to use the bolt and washer to pull it on, though. You stand a good chance of screwing up the threads on the crank, and then you have a real problem on your hands. You should use a proper tool that has a stud you thread into the crank first and then a nut pulls the balancer on.
I’m not an expert in pulleys and pumps though so maybe someone can help you out there. Good luck.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 06:00 AM
  #3  
cv67's Avatar
cv67
Team Owner
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 81,241
Likes: 3,063
From: altered state
St. Jude Donor '05
Default

Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 06:35 AM
  #4  
HeadsU.P.'s Avatar
HeadsU.P.
Le Mans Master
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 8,336
Likes: 2,810
From: Cool Northern Michigan
Default

The balancer bottoms out against the crank timing chain sprocket.

That timing TAB does not look right. Why is the "A" on the top side? "A" means after, ATDC.
Is that a "B" on the bottom of the tab? BTDC. Hard to see.

The overall design of that waterpump tells me its the wrong one. Just doesn't look correct either. Hence the misalignment of the pulley.
Because SBC have basically three waterpump designs, its a very good chance that a wrong one was ordered.
Long W.P.
Short W.P.
Corvette W.P.

Last edited by HeadsU.P.; Sep 13, 2021 at 06:35 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 06:41 AM
  #5  
3X2's Avatar
3X2
Melting Slicks
25 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 3,326
Likes: 523
From: home
Default

by pounding it on with a sledge, you may have destroyed the thrust bearing.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 06:46 AM
  #6  
bfit's Avatar
bfit
Pro
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 657
Likes: 114
From: Picton NSW
Default

The balancer bottoms against the oil slinger , if the slinger is missing there could be a problem.
.a hammer is not a good installation tool for the harmonic balancer.

Last edited by bfit; Sep 13, 2021 at 06:49 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 07:16 AM
  #7  
Hammerhead Fred's Avatar
Hammerhead Fred
Melting Slicks
Active Streak: 30 Days
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,094
Likes: 298
From: Midlothian VA
Default

Originally Posted by HeadsU.P.
That timing TAB does not look right. Why is the "A" on the top side? "A" means after, ATDC.
Is that a "B" on the bottom of the tab? BTDC. Hard to see.
He has the A/R tab which is A (advance) and R (retard) vs Before/After.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 09:46 AM
  #8  
71 Green 454's Avatar
71 Green 454
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 6,400
Likes: 1,226
From: Tampa Florida
Default

You were very lucky that you didn't mess up the crank threads. Are you sure that your water pump shaft is 5/8" and the hole in the pulley is 5/8"? Looks like the pulley isn't in far enough. Did the pulley line up correctly with the old water pump?

Last edited by 71 Green 454; Sep 13, 2021 at 09:58 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 08:13 PM
  #9  
HeadsU.P.'s Avatar
HeadsU.P.
Le Mans Master
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 8,336
Likes: 2,810
From: Cool Northern Michigan
Default

Originally Posted by bfit
The balancer bottoms against the oil slinger , if the slinger is missing there could be a problem.
.a hammer is not a good installation tool for the harmonic balancer.
I don't believe the 350s had an oil slinger.
Early 327s maybe.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2021 | 09:21 PM
  #10  
ebbnflow's Avatar
ebbnflow
Pro
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 719
Likes: 156
Default

WAG
look inside timing cover:
perhaps timing set's crank gear is wrong or damaged.

also, perhaps pump's hub is dislocated? Standard Short pump's height from block face to front of hub should be about 5.625". Many pumps' hub can be moved by user.

also, perhaps damper is wrong?

Also, perhaps timing cover (t tab) is wrong? They've been known to get accidentally swapped at machine shops.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2021 | 05:46 PM
  #11  
Bergerboy's Avatar
Bergerboy
Pro
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 720
Likes: 205
From: Michigan
Default

Sorry - Couldn't help myself!
Training Day - Great Movie!


Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Did I push Harmonic Balancer too far in?





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:30 PM.