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Old Dec 3, 2021 | 02:51 PM
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1981 with PB. I have reason to believe the PO relaced the master cylinder with one with a 1 inch bore. I understand that PB require a 1 1/8 bore. Pedal pressure seems a bit high compared to modern day power brakes. Would it be adviseable to replace the master cylinder with the correct one??
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Originally Posted by Roy W.
Would it be advisable to replace the master cylinder with the correct one??
Yes.
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Are there any performance engine mods or was the camshaft swapped out?
The only reason I ask is that I am installing a highly modified 496 stroker engine in my 73.
When I was purchasing my new Wilwood brake system, Wilwood would not recommend which master cylinder bore size until after the engine was dyno tuned or I started the engine and determined the amount of vacuum the engine would be pulling.
Wilwood said the engine vacuum would determine whether I should use a 1" or a 1 1/8" bore master cylinder.
This seemed weird so I called back the next day and talked with another tech who told me the same thing.
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Wilwood said the engine vacuum would determine whether I should use a 1" or a 1 1/8" bore master cylinder.
Can you explain that statement? I don't understand how vacuum can affect master cylinder size.
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The two Wilwood tech’s I spoke with both told me that vacuum pulled by the engine would actually effect the bore size of the master cylinder I would need to order.
I don’t understand the technical reasoning, but its their product and design, so I will follow their advise.
I’m sure on a manual brake system, it would make no difference, but with a vacuum assisted brake booster, maybe engine vacuum does effect the master cylinder bore size.
I sorry I can’t answer your questions about why, but maybe if you contact Wilwood’s technician services representatives they can answer any questions you may have.
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The smaller bore size will build pressure quicker, but require more pedal travel. Larger will move more fluid with less pedal movement....but build less pressure with same pedal effort. Add in the effects of a booster and it can make the harder pedal easier to push and give you increased pressure. It can also allow you to push harder on the larger one to get the pressure you need to stop the car the way you want.

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11/8 will require more pedal effort than the 1 inch
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I would buy a complete master and booster system from someone else......IF you have low vacuum add a vacuum pump. It would only be low at idle speeds anyway. Your reservoir would hold a large volume of vacuum for braking once you get up to a higher rpm. To me Wilwood is just living of name recognition from all the TV shows.
I would look at Tuff Stuff. https://www.tuffstuffperformance.com...8-5-7-350.html
Their products are American made , work great and are reasonably priced. Just look for a disc/disc setup. After doing a day of laps on a closed road course the only thing I would upgrade from stock is ceramic brake pads and drilled discs to cool them down faster. Tuff Stuff lists 1 1/8th for disc/disc setups and 1 inch for disc/drum setups....that should tell you how well the service dept at Wilwood is.
heres the one for your setup
https://www.tuffstuffperformance.com...nc-2129nb.html
in chrome of your into that look
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I agree that TuffStuff makes excellent products and I’m planning to purchase their power brake booster.
I have used Wilwood brakes and master cylinders systems on other projects.
I trust the quality of their products and their advice.
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