Sidepipes vs regular mufflers
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Sidepipes vs regular mufflers
Let's see how much dissention I can create with this topic.
My position: I do not drive the Corvette because it's loud. I drive it because it is a cool looking car and it's fun to drive. In fact, at the ripe old age of 34, I have a problem with ANY car that drives down my block that sounds like open headers. However, the vette came with sidepipes without mufflers or baffles in them. It is quite loud and I am looking at possibly replacing them entirely and going back to stock mufflers. I could go to JCL baffles, but I've listened to a few sound bytes and I don't particularly care for the sound under full throttle.
So, if I go back to stock undercar mufflers, how much HP could I expect to lose? The other thing I don't want is a car that has absolutely NO rumble to it. If I go back to stock undercar, can I still use the Hooker competition headers, or will those have to be changed out as well?
Thoughts, comments?
For the price of the JCL baffles (and selling the sidepipes), I can probably get a whole new set of undercar mufflers.
My position: I do not drive the Corvette because it's loud. I drive it because it is a cool looking car and it's fun to drive. In fact, at the ripe old age of 34, I have a problem with ANY car that drives down my block that sounds like open headers. However, the vette came with sidepipes without mufflers or baffles in them. It is quite loud and I am looking at possibly replacing them entirely and going back to stock mufflers. I could go to JCL baffles, but I've listened to a few sound bytes and I don't particularly care for the sound under full throttle.
So, if I go back to stock undercar mufflers, how much HP could I expect to lose? The other thing I don't want is a car that has absolutely NO rumble to it. If I go back to stock undercar, can I still use the Hooker competition headers, or will those have to be changed out as well?
Thoughts, comments?
For the price of the JCL baffles (and selling the sidepipes), I can probably get a whole new set of undercar mufflers.
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Drifting
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From: Lawrenceville GA
Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (Alwyn678)
You may gain some HP and lose some leg burns :cheers:
I'm leaning more and more toward pulling them off and going back to the basics.
Thanks.
:thumbs:
Melting Slicks
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (new vetter)
:iagree:
Mine had sidepipes when I acquired it. The mufflers were rusted out and sounded like a war zone. I prefer the look of the stock mufflers and went back to them. I am running a generic turbo muffler on stock manifolds. You can here the nice rumble and everyone knows when I come home, but I can easliy carry a conversation or listen to the radio.
Mine had sidepipes when I acquired it. The mufflers were rusted out and sounded like a war zone. I prefer the look of the stock mufflers and went back to them. I am running a generic turbo muffler on stock manifolds. You can here the nice rumble and everyone knows when I come home, but I can easliy carry a conversation or listen to the radio.
Drifting
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
There are several possibilites while keeping the sidepipes.. You can put Hooker glasspack or reverse flow mufflers which would be quieter. The reverse flows are VERY quiet but also somewhat restrictive. But if your HP is low , it won't matter. This would be the cheapest way.. glasspack and reverse flow are $100-$120 or so... I have an old set of slightly used glasspacks I would sell for $50..(2000miles used. I use the JCLs now , mostly for performance...
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
With out insert is too loud but with Hooker insert are not that loud and you are not that old . Are you sure you like the look of your car without the side pipe?
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
Mid-year corvettes up to 67 had chambered sidepipes but 69's actually had mufflers in the sidepipes and were fairly quiet compared to earlyer sidepipes. Check with Scott at C3 shark tank for some inserts for sidepipes.
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (silvervetteman)
I am a real big believer in the JCL baffles and have dyno tests to prove they make more horsepower than about any set-up on a C3 with the possible exception of a 3 inch undercar system with some good straight through mufflers, not a very easy thing to do on a C3. That would be nearly equal in my opinion. The other things to cosider are ground clearance is better with the sidepipes as well as the fact that the cockpit stays cooler with them. Also, if you work on your car it is immensly easier without having to drop the exhaust everytime. My car had undercar when I got it and I wouldn't go back for anything nor would I remove the baffles either. You can also tune the sound of the JCL baffles to your liking by removing all or part of the cap on the incoming end. Bill.
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (myisa69)
With out insert is too loud but with Hooker insert are not that loud and you are not that old . Are you sure you like the look of your car without the side pipe?
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
If you like the side pipes, I would suggest going with the very quiet, but also very restrictive Hooker baffles. These are not much different than stock Corvette mufflers regarding noise.
The JCL's were the only I found I could go with virtually no power loss and maximum ground clearance - but they are not quiet. They do a very good job muffling when compared to open pipes, but they are not anywhere near as quiet as a stock set of mufflers.
Regarding your opinions from sound files, I would take them with a grain of salt. Unless you hear a muffler in person, it really isn't the same thing on a computer recording. Hearing a gunshot or Formula 1 car in person to me is so much different than the recording on TV.
Chuck
p.s. For what it's worth, if you go to my web site, you can hear a brief snippet of their play action.
[Modified by Chuck Harmon, 10:34 PM 3/18/2003]
The JCL's were the only I found I could go with virtually no power loss and maximum ground clearance - but they are not quiet. They do a very good job muffling when compared to open pipes, but they are not anywhere near as quiet as a stock set of mufflers.
Regarding your opinions from sound files, I would take them with a grain of salt. Unless you hear a muffler in person, it really isn't the same thing on a computer recording. Hearing a gunshot or Formula 1 car in person to me is so much different than the recording on TV.
Chuck
p.s. For what it's worth, if you go to my web site, you can hear a brief snippet of their play action.
[Modified by Chuck Harmon, 10:34 PM 3/18/2003]
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
If it's too loud...you're too old! :lolg:
Just kidding ;) You have to be happy with the way ti sounds or else you won't want to drive it! My setup is similar to many others: Headers, 2.5", FLowmaster 40 series and it's plenty loud but still mellow enough to where I can have a conversation (at normal levels) while driving. :thumbs:
Just kidding ;) You have to be happy with the way ti sounds or else you won't want to drive it! My setup is similar to many others: Headers, 2.5", FLowmaster 40 series and it's plenty loud but still mellow enough to where I can have a conversation (at normal levels) while driving. :thumbs:
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
JCL has s/s heat shields for the Hooker side pipes...they look good, and- no more 'rosebuds' on your ankles!
And just some food for thought- I lost 95 h.p. on the dyno runs with Hooker glasspack inserts. JCL's are THE way.
Oh, yeah-and the STOCK GM-style C-3 side exhausts are LOUDER inside the car than the Hooker/JCL's. I know, because I have them both.
P.S.
Under-car exhausts with Flow-Masters and the like reverberate inside the car at certain rpm's like an oil drum. Plus you always 'bottom out' with the under-car systems on C-2's and C-3's.
My opinion.
[Modified by MassVette, 9:58 AM 3/19/2003]
And just some food for thought- I lost 95 h.p. on the dyno runs with Hooker glasspack inserts. JCL's are THE way.
Oh, yeah-and the STOCK GM-style C-3 side exhausts are LOUDER inside the car than the Hooker/JCL's. I know, because I have them both.
P.S.
Under-car exhausts with Flow-Masters and the like reverberate inside the car at certain rpm's like an oil drum. Plus you always 'bottom out' with the under-car systems on C-2's and C-3's.
My opinion.
[Modified by MassVette, 9:58 AM 3/19/2003]
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
If only mine were a big block I'd trade you the entire system :D, I've got headers, 2 1/2 inch to Flowmasters and I love the sound. You can tell it's a muscle car and is very deep but not loud like open pipes.
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From: absecon nj
Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (MassVette)
I originally had 2 1/2 exuast with flowmasters,then for some ungodly reason i thought i wanted sidepipes,well they were too loud for me,so last night i built a new 2 1/2 exuast with my flowmasters and im happy again,nice rumble with a muscle car sound. :thumbs: hers flowmasters with 2 1/2 exuast 40 series. http://www.angelfire.com/nj4/patsvet...ette_motor.wav
[Modified by patsnitrovette, 8:28 AM 3/19/2003]
[Modified by patsnitrovette, 8:28 AM 3/19/2003]
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
My 72 has Hooker side pipe headers W/mufflers. It's a tad quieter than my 77's Dynomax headers, high flow cats, Flowmaster 40's. But the sidepipes came with the car and are very $$$$$$$. Haave you considered Flowmaster 50 series? Quiet rumble....
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (MassVette)
Max. power- open headers. The undercar ex. on C3 is near ideal, straight out through the crossmember w/ mufflers at end.
:cool:
http://www.corvettefaq.com/c3/ganeyexhaust.htm
Many like sidepipes & the reason given over & over again is looks. Maybe the best sidepipe setup can match avg. C3 undercar.
Check out any race cars (other than 50s vintage races w/open sidepipes) & see how many are running sidepipes. Moroso sells spiral or auger type mufflers.
It seems to me that someone has to really like sides to run them.
:cool:
http://www.corvettefaq.com/c3/ganeyexhaust.htm
Many like sidepipes & the reason given over & over again is looks. Maybe the best sidepipe setup can match avg. C3 undercar.
Check out any race cars (other than 50s vintage races w/open sidepipes) & see how many are running sidepipes. Moroso sells spiral or auger type mufflers.
It seems to me that someone has to really like sides to run them.
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (tshort)
If only mine were a big block I'd trade you the entire system :D, I've got headers, 2 1/2 inch to Flowmasters and I love the sound. You can tell it's a muscle car and is very deep but not loud like open pipes.
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
Well, mine is not a BB. The car originally had a 427, which I will eventually go back to, but right now it's a 350 SB.
:cheers:
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Re: Sidepipes vs regular mufflers (RCB69L36)
I also have cermaic coated super comp headers and new undercar 3" exhaust all with 3000 miles. I would be interested in a trade as well if you can't work something out with tshort.
I had a talk with my car last night and she told me she wanted sidepipes. Who am I to argue?
I had a talk with my car last night and she told me she wanted sidepipes. Who am I to argue?