biggest development leap between C-? generations???
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biggest development leap between C-? generations???
I've got an opinion on this already, but I wanted to throw it out for discussion. What inter-generational gap was the widest between any two Corvette generations? When I say that, I mean in terms of the degree of changes in all major areas (body, chassis, powertrain, interior, etc) between the last year model of one generation and the first year model of the next generation.. For instance, the 1967 C2 and 1968 C3 share essentially the exact same chassis, suspension, and powertrain.
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
C'mon y'all, you gotta post your reason for voting the way that you did in order to generate discussion!!!! I'm holding off on my opinion until a few folks chime in with theirs.
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (Simon Alexander)
1962 - 1963...
First hardtop Corvette
First inedependent rear suspension
Split rear window
First disk brakes in '65
First big-block in '65
There are, however, alot of technological changes from '82-'84, I must admit.
Jeff
First hardtop Corvette
First inedependent rear suspension
Split rear window
First disk brakes in '65
First big-block in '65
There are, however, alot of technological changes from '82-'84, I must admit.
Jeff
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
I'll pipe in right about now with my vote. I'm real surprised that most folks didn't vote this way. I think the 1996 C4 to 1997 C5 was the biggest single leap. Here's why:
1962 C1 -> 1963 C2 : new body, interior, chassis, and suspension, but the engine and tranny options were a direct carryover
1967 C2 -> 1968 C3 : no doubt a small leap. Same chassis and drivetrain, new body and interior only
1982 C3 -> 1984 C4 : this is a close one. New chassis, suspension, manual tranny, interior, etc but the engine and A/T were a direct carryover from '82.
1996 C4 -> 1997 C5 : I can't think of anything that carried over between the two. New frame, new suspension, rear transaxle, new engine. new body and interior.
That's where I'm coming from. Anyone want to offer up a different viewpoint? Talk amongst yourselves and convince me to change my mind :D
1962 C1 -> 1963 C2 : new body, interior, chassis, and suspension, but the engine and tranny options were a direct carryover
1967 C2 -> 1968 C3 : no doubt a small leap. Same chassis and drivetrain, new body and interior only
1982 C3 -> 1984 C4 : this is a close one. New chassis, suspension, manual tranny, interior, etc but the engine and A/T were a direct carryover from '82.
1996 C4 -> 1997 C5 : I can't think of anything that carried over between the two. New frame, new suspension, rear transaxle, new engine. new body and interior.
That's where I'm coming from. Anyone want to offer up a different viewpoint? Talk amongst yourselves and convince me to change my mind :D
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
I haven't had a chance to drive a solid axle. I have driven C3's C4's and C5's. I am sure there is not a lot of difference driving-wise between a late C2 and an early C3. There is quite a bit of difference in the handling and braking on a C4 compared to a C3. The biggest difference I noticed in the C5 was the chassis that was far stiffer than any other Corvette. I couldn't feel that car flex much at all.
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
Not a category, but I think the LT-5 is the greatest piece of automotive engineering GM was ever involved in IN STREET CARS. In eighty whatever (88?) a quad cam, 32 valve, all aluminum fuel injected...... HAULER. I know the LS-6 in the new Z will take it, but that was not as much of a leap. Someday, when the $$ is there, I would love to put one in a douce coupe. I know I can do a lot more for a lot less, but I have incredible respect for that engine. :cool:
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
Please vote once, and show all work if you want to receive partial credit :D
-Pedro
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (Pedro'74)
Pedro, there is no such thing as a wrong answer. Please show all work including reasons why you voted that way, and I'll give you partial credit so you won't fail the class and be banished to http://www.riceboypage.com forever :D
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
Alright then... My reason for choosing C1-->C2 was the IRS. Which reminds me... where the hell did I put those W2's??? :D
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
I agree with sb69. The C-5 changed everything. Lots of tech advances went into every part of the C-5. The time spent on just the LS1 design is amazing.
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
the C3 was the biggest leap in development as far as styling...it was one of...and still is....the craziest and meanest looking cars around. but the C4 was like a space ship when it came out. an incredible chassis, composite monosprings, digital display, almost 1 G of lateral acceleration (that was race car-like stats back then!), futuristic styling, and quick acceleration made it one of the most advanced cars in 1984, a massive change from the C3 design. :auto:
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (sb69coupe)
My vote goes to C1-->C2. I think the IRS, disk brakes and Big Block can be called some sort of development.
I also think that C2 body design is where the current C5's body has its roots.
Just my 0.02euros.
L8er Jay :leaving:
[Modified by groovyjay, 1:42 PM 3/28/2003]
I also think that C2 body design is where the current C5's body has its roots.
Just my 0.02euros.
L8er Jay :leaving:
[Modified by groovyjay, 1:42 PM 3/28/2003]
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (1LE)
I would have to think the C-5. New from the ground up. I don't think anything carried over from the C-4
#1 was definitely '62-'63 though. Independent rear suspension and the coupe body in addition to convertible were fundamental shifts in what defined the Corvette. This transition is where Corvette became a true sports car and became diffentiated from teh likes of the T-bird which had already become a 4 seater boulevard cruiser.
My two pennies....
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (no_radio)
1962 - 1963...
First hardtop Corvette
First inedependent rear suspension
Split rear window
First disk brakes in '65
First big-block in '65
First hardtop Corvette
First inedependent rear suspension
Split rear window
First disk brakes in '65
First big-block in '65
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (Simon Alexander)
The introduction of the C4 brought about the best handling American made car ever.
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Re: biggest development leap between C-? generations??? (theandies)
I would have to say C3 to C4 for:
chassis design
brake design implementation
tire technology
fuel injection technology implemetation
ECM/Drivetrain management
aerodynamics
Styling and quality seems to not have been a major improvement until years later. :eek:
Brent...
chassis design
brake design implementation
tire technology
fuel injection technology implemetation
ECM/Drivetrain management
aerodynamics
Styling and quality seems to not have been a major improvement until years later. :eek:
Brent...