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Old Jun 5, 2003 | 08:19 PM
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I am looking at getting a speed demon 650 to replace my failing holley 650 double pumper

The way I understand it, is that I need mechanical secondaries with a manual transmission. Do I need to order their optional electric choke too? Or can I leave it chokeless? I dont think it comes with one as far as I can tell. Anybody have any advice on the issue
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Old Jun 5, 2003 | 08:27 PM
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If you live up north, I'd go with the choke. :yesnod:
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Old Jun 5, 2003 | 08:31 PM
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OK with the manual transmission does the mechanical secondaries really do much for me over the vacuum secondaries?

OK now to find out where I can get the choke


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Old Jun 5, 2003 | 08:40 PM
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I'd say:

Vac Secondaries if you have a daily driver or concerned about gas mileage, and a Double Pumper if you are after total performace and/or if you engine make low vacuum.
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Old Jun 5, 2003 | 08:54 PM
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I have not had a choke in 10-12 years and my vette always fires up even in below freezing weather. My right foot is my fast idle cuircut. It doesn't even need warming up to go.

IMO - starting right up is more of the state of motor tune and quality ignition parts. Not the choke.
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Old Jun 5, 2003 | 09:44 PM
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A manual tranny doesn't "require" a mechanical secondary though mechanical secondaries are often more compatible with manuals than they are with autos. If jetting and everything else is the same, there should be no difference in fuel economy in normal driving between them. Keep in mind that the extra shot from the secondary accellerator pump, in the greater scheme of things, is a relatively small amount of fuel and it's only shot if you use the secondaries.
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 08:19 AM
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I have the 650 Speed Demon on my 75 L82 4 speed and I love it. It has the vac sec's and they work great.
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 05:15 PM
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Hmmmmmm I am hoping that it will help with alot of my engine trouble
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 05:55 PM
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Whats wrong with the Holley? Should be able to rebuild that one. They're easy to work on.
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 06:01 PM
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I have no place I can rebuild it -- I think my first sergeant would flip out if I had my barracks room stinking like gasoline and a holley spread out all over my desk
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 06:18 PM
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So how have you come to the conclusion that the holley is crappin out? BTW, it can practically be rebuilt while its still on the car. As long as the throttle shaft bore arent worn out everything else is accesable on car. The fuel bowls come off, the metering plates, acess to jets and power valve, new gaskets, a few adjustments, not much else to it really.
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I think the accelerator pump and the power control valve are shot. It backfires alot, and we think its dumping in WAY too much fuel.
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 06:35 PM
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I think the accelerator pump and the power control valve are shot. It backfires alot, and we think its dumping in WAY too much fuel.
Man those issues are easy to fix on car. Way easier and far cheaper then swapping carbs. Primary accelerator pump and power valve are both accessable by removing the front bowl. The accelerator pumps are located in the bottom of the bowls. so once you have the bowl off, the pump is in yur hand. Just put in a new diaphram and clean the check ball. With the front bowl off youll be looking right at the power valve. Just unscrew it and screw the new one in. Can be done on car no sweat. There are different rated power valve too so a change there may be warrented. You can also check yur jet sizes in there and compare to what Holley put in there from the factory. Downsize to lean it out. Changing the jets is a snap when you have the fuel bowl already off.
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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http://www.mortec.com/carbs.htm great factory info for holleys here. it lists what was there when the carbs left the factory. That way you can change back if someone else f'd up. Yur list number for your carb is located on the front of the choke tower.
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Old Jun 6, 2003 | 08:58 PM
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Default Re: Demon Carb question (Guru_4_hire)

I have a Demon carb and love it. I have othing against a Holley and I have had reasonably good luck w/Holley carbs, but in my opinion, the Demon carb is better quality throughout.

The lighter the car and the lower the gear, the more a particular car lends itself to mechanical secondaries. I have used both on my '71 w/a 3.55 gear set and prefer the manual secondary route. Vacuum secondaries are more forgiving if you mismatch the carb to the car, but if you set it up right, you will get better performance from the mechanical carb.

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