Ignition points question
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Ignition points question
Okay all you old fossils who HAVEN'T converted to a wiz-bang electronic gizmo ignition...
GM made two versions of points. The standard set was part #D106P.
What was the GM part # for the heavy duty points????
Dep
GM made two versions of points. The standard set was part #D106P.
What was the GM part # for the heavy duty points????
Dep
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Re: Ignition points question (Dep)
D106HP. No longer made... D106P is not made either. All you can get are generic cheapies.. I stocked up on NOS delco points. If I forget to change points and they burn up (which is rare) I can replace them on the road in ten minutes, I've seen lots of problems from high tech ingition stuff that can leave you stranded. I know there are advantages but only when they are working correctly. Whatever you like.
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Drifting
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Re: Ignition points question (bluevetteman)
D106HP. No longer made... D106P is not made either.
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Re: Ignition points question (Pete79L82)
Dep, I converted from points to the Mallory Unilite module under the distributor cap. Best thing I ever did, BUT I keep a set of points and condenser in my car just in case. I agree that electronics are great but they can go out with no warning. At least with points you can kind of tell when the engine isn't running just right.
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Re: Ignition points question (Dep)
HA! I found it!!! I knew I read it somewhere and I should have dusted off my "How to Hot Rod Big Block Chevys" book before pestering you guys. The part number is P112HD. Points will go more than 8000 RPM without bouncing.
Not sure if they are still available though. Thanks for all the replies!!!
Dep
Not sure if they are still available though. Thanks for all the replies!!!
Dep
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Re: Ignition points question (BB68Vett)
Dep, I converted from points to the Mallory Unilite module under the distributor cap. Best thing I ever did, BUT I keep a set of points and condenser in my car just in case. I agree that electronics are great but they can go out with no warning. At least with points you can kind of tell when the engine isn't running just right.
Probably not a major concern nowadays with portable jump starters and road service coverage. Plus electronic ignitions have come a long way with relibility and accuracy. But still an interesting fact :)
Dep
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Re: Ignition points question (BB68Vett)
Dep, I converted from points to the Mallory Unilite module under the distributor cap. Best thing I ever did, BUT I keep a set of points and condenser in my car just in case. I agree that electronics are great but they can go out with no warning. At least with points you can kind of tell when the engine isn't running just right.
They can take my points when they pry them from my cold dead hands.....
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Re: Ignition points question (Dep)
It goes even deeper than that. My Mallory HighFire IV ignition box specifically warns AGAINST jump starting the car as it can burn out the delicate electronics. I one time several year ago I had the car in the shop for quite some time and apparently this is Exactly what they did, and burned out the Mallory.
I use Accell high performance points to trigger the Mallory. Now if I put the car in the shop, or just need a jump from extended sitting, I disconnect the Mallory and insert the supplied by-pass jumper and unplug the ballast resistor by-pass wire. (The ballast resistor is not needed in the Mallory system because the point only trigger the box and do not draw any real current.)
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I use Accell high performance points to trigger the Mallory. Now if I put the car in the shop, or just need a jump from extended sitting, I disconnect the Mallory and insert the supplied by-pass jumper and unplug the ballast resistor by-pass wire. (The ballast resistor is not needed in the Mallory system because the point only trigger the box and do not draw any real current.)
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Re: Ignition points question (toddalin)
It gets ever WORSE than that!!! Did you know that NASCAR uses MSD boxes and they ALWAYS have TWO boxes installed in the car because it is COMMON for one of the boxes to fail!!! And they aren't using the "cheapie" model...they are using the big $$$ version!!!
Dep
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Re: Ignition points question (Bad-79)
Good God Man why would any-one bother with points these days with all the options in the marketplace. Convert and be done with it.
#1 They are easier to diagnose if there is a problem.
#2 They are cheaper to replace and easier to install.
#3 They are easy to adjust.
#4 You can carry a spare in your glove box if there ever is a problem
#5 The distributors for them cost MUCH LESS than electonic ones.
#6 You can buy them at ANY local auto parts store (if you can find a clerk who is above the age of 30 ;)
#7 With the right set they can give you as good a performance as an electronic ignition. I KNOW there will be a bunch of replies to that one! ;)
#8 Personal reason....I LIKE installing them and seeing/feeling the performance increase when I drive.
If I left any off feel free to add to it...or to slice and dice me :D
Dep
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Re: Ignition points question (Pete79L82)
Still being available and not being made are two different things. While there may be some points in the Delco system, the new Delphi conglomorate is no longer making a lot of stuff that they used to. Many things we use may be hard to find in the future. Just check out NAPA for points... Their on-line catalogue doesn't list ANY available. If an item doesn't sell... conpanies stop making it. Good business sense.
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Re: Ignition points question (bluevetteman)
Still being available and not being made are two different things. While there may be some points in the Delco system, the new Delphi conglomorate is no longer making a lot of stuff that they used to. Many things we use may be hard to find in the future. Just check out NAPA for points... Their on-line catalogue doesn't list ANY available. If an item doesn't sell... conpanies stop making it. Good business sense.
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of GM points here...
http://www.autopartsgiant.com/cj/?AI...129&PID=942610
...including heavy duty hi-perf versions. Considering the number of cars that were made with GM points since they started installing the V8 point versions, I think it's safe to say in MY lifetime I'll never have a problem getting them.
Dep
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Re: Ignition points question (Dep)
Maybe I missed it, but what are the rpm ranges of the points you looked at? I remember the old mechanics not liking the HD sets with the heavy spring rate because they said it worn down the cam block faster?
Maybe it's a good idea to stock up now,I have a couple extra distributors might as well get the points,rotor,cap,and condenser too. Hows the pricing compare to local stores?
Thanks,
Gary
Maybe it's a good idea to stock up now,I have a couple extra distributors might as well get the points,rotor,cap,and condenser too. Hows the pricing compare to local stores?
Thanks,
Gary
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St. Jude Donor '05-'07
Re: Ignition points question (gtr1999)
gtr1999: Go with the points that Paul67 suggested. Accel points are good for above 8000RPM and don't wear down the rubbing block as fast as most others. I think either Summit or Jegs has them.
Thanks for reminding me Paul!! :thumbs:
Dep
Thanks for reminding me Paul!! :thumbs:
Dep
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Re: Ignition points question (Dep)
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Re: Ignition points question (paul67)
Ahhhh...they must use the Mexican points in Tiajuana Taxis!! :lolg: :lolg: :lolg: :lolg: :lolg: :lolg:
Dep
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