PPG Paint Questions
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PPG Paint Questions
OK, my car is going for paint this weekend. It is going to be black. My painter and I have talked about the process more than once. He asked me if I wanted Base Coat/Clear Coat or base and clear mixed. What is the difference and why choose one over the other?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
I really doubt that PPG recommends mixing the basecoat abd the clear coat.
the base coat is a noncatalized polyurethane while the clear is catalized.
Usually tha clear coat is seperate and provides protection for the basecoat.
It's probably cheaper tho to mix them and spray it on one shot. But personally :U
Base coat, then three coats of clear, wet sand then buff...thats how you do it.
the base coat is a noncatalized polyurethane while the clear is catalized.
Usually tha clear coat is seperate and provides protection for the basecoat.
It's probably cheaper tho to mix them and spray it on one shot. But personally :U
Base coat, then three coats of clear, wet sand then buff...thats how you do it.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
:iagree: Mixing the base coat and clear coat togrther is not the way to go.....
It is call "BASE" coat for a reason !
I'd be leary of any paint shop suggesting such a pratice :skep:
It is call "BASE" coat for a reason !
I'd be leary of any paint shop suggesting such a pratice :skep:
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
I think your painter is referring to the PPG concept DCC urethane paint..in which for the added depth and wet look, you mix the base urethane with the clear urethane. I know this, because its awesome paint, and i just painted my 69 with it. Great stuff, very durable and wet looking.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Redshark6974)
Always looking to learn redshark !!
If your paint system were designed to work in this manner would it not be THEE way to squirt it without "options" ?
If your paint system were designed to work in this manner would it not be THEE way to squirt it without "options" ?
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (motown 71)
motown...we use acrylic urethane paint on choppers and lots of show cars mostly. Sometimes we just urethane it...no clear...still looks good, depends on the color, but for colors like black and red...for added depth, you mix 1 part clear, and 1 part base urethane. Remember....some people call this base coat/clear, in which it is....but in actuality, the base is still shiny with urethane.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Redshark6974)
Is one way better for durability? He did mention, like you said, the color was deeper with the base mixed with clear.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
PPG DCC urethane is durable as is....more durable than standard base coat clear. I don't know if it makes a difference whether way is more durable, i would just highly recommend it...I would not put nothing but the best on my car, so coming from a personal painter..you will be very pleased :thumbs:
Btw Eddie, its very expensive paint...if you don't mind me asking...how much is paint job going to set you back?
Btw Eddie, its very expensive paint...if you don't mind me asking...how much is paint job going to set you back?
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
In my rookie opinion...... look at something......now look at it through water.
or use glass like a window paine........
Again........the opinion of a rookie. :crazy:
or use glass like a window paine........
Again........the opinion of a rookie. :crazy:
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From: tyler tx
Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
:iagree: you painter is talking about single stage urethan (dcc) as compared to base coat clear coat as a painter i have used both product there great products (look great) !!!! i personaly prefer bc/cc it last longer here in the texas sun.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
This goes all the way back to the old enamel systems. I remember seeing one of our friends putting clear in the final application coats of enamel. When asked why, he said "just wait and see". I did, and wow! Even with the old enamels this really made a big difference.
Can't speak to mixing base coat and clear coat though. Sorry.
Can't speak to mixing base coat and clear coat though. Sorry.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Eddie 70)
its called a Kandy paint job. It is more difficult to apply because the paint is transparent to some extent, so your spray pattern must be very consistant to avoid streaking and insure uniformity.
They are supposed to look killer though. I am going to try doing it on my car this spring.
They are supposed to look killer though. I am going to try doing it on my car this spring.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (turtlevette)
its called a Kandy paint job. It is more difficult to apply because the paint is transparent to some extent, so your spray pattern must be very consistant to avoid streaking and insure uniformity.
They are supposed to look killer though. I am going to try doing it on my car this spring.
They are supposed to look killer though. I am going to try doing it on my car this spring.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Redshark6974)
sorry, this is not a kandy paint job. there is no undertone/base that needs to be applied for transparency for the kandy color. Kandy painting is very difficult and time consuming and is a completely different process.
I have also seen different ways to do the process, some involving a pearl in a toatally separate coat and others involving just a base coat, a translucent coat and a clear coat.
If you have experience in this area i would love to pick your brain.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (turtlevette)
turtle, the kandy process involves spraying numerous different coats to bring out a true kandy color. A few months ago, my fellow painting buddy painted a ChevyII Kandy Brandywine...we primed the car, shot a coat of Gold base, then layed a coat of the transparent kandy, which was wine colored, then shot the clear. The key to all this is to get the primer as smooth as possible. We wet sanded the primer with 800, got it slick, because kandy is a highly metallic paint...its very important to get the kandy on even throughout the car..its a process thats for sure.
PPG DCC urethane is a totally different. You spray a sealer in which the primer is mixed with the base urethane, then spray on the urethane, and for kicker, you mix the clear with the base and shoot it last. Comes out looking thick and wet.
PPG DCC urethane is a totally different. You spray a sealer in which the primer is mixed with the base urethane, then spray on the urethane, and for kicker, you mix the clear with the base and shoot it last. Comes out looking thick and wet.
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (Redshark6974)
There is newer (reletively) HOK "Kandy Koncentrates" that are added to the first coats of clear to produce a Kandy like appearance. They are mainly used in the jamb areas to match the Kandy exterior without so many coats. I know of a few painters using Koncentrates on overall jobs.
Of course this isn't what is happening in this case. I agree that mixing base with clear isn't the way PPG says to do it.
Larry
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Of course this isn't what is happening in this case. I agree that mixing base with clear isn't the way PPG says to do it.
Larry
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (lbell101)
Your paint was reffering to a "Single Stage paint" vs base coat/ clear coat. The single stage is often cheaper but the BC/CC is the way to go. :yesnod:
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Re: PPG Paint Questions (black77)
The same process can be applied with laquer...the last coats mix laquer with clear..and final coats straight clear. Awsome depth. only one problem, touch ups are nearly impossible.
