Im sure everyone in this forum has seen this Truck with the viper engine, well i got to ride in one yesterday as kind of a birthday present, i've never seen a pick up move like this one...

Is GM gunna come out with a truck that can compete against this beastly pick up, like a Silverado, with a Z06 engine in it...let me know what u think

 

I think they should put a LS2 twin turbo in the SSR. Looks good and goes like stink
For the price of that Dodge truck you could have 2 SRT-4's that go just as fast as that truck. It's not practical whatsoever. Even with the big 20 inch wheels and the performance suspension it still handles like a truck. But hey, what hot rod out there IS practical? Keep the horsepower wars going.
I like GM's approach better. Keep refining technology rather that stuff the biggest engine you can make in everything you make.


[Modified by Willis, 5:47 PM 6/18/2004]

 

Interesting idea. I think they should have put the engine in a lighter truck though, like ford did with the lightning. The truck is too heavy, with all that power it still only runs a high 13 and gets something like 10 mpg.


[Modified by lostpatrolman, 11:51 AM 6/18/2004]

 

well this is true, but theres always the possibility of a new model being made.

I do believe chevy makes the Sivlerado SS which is a nice lookin truck. an im not a fan of the SSR, i think for the price of it, i'd rather buy a vette. but i do like the Colorado, i figured a turbocharged V-8 or something like that..hell put a v-10 in a trailblazer

 

lets keep this conversation goin people

 

they got 22's, and thats not good for the street, with power like that.

The lighting is going to have 500 HP in 2005. :shocked:


[Modified by MEGLADON, 7:07 PM 6/18/2004]

 

chevy is producing a "Joe Gibbs" racing version , truck is super charged 390hp http://www.truckinweb.com/features/0000tr_gibbs/

 

Saw the Dodge the other day on Trucks. They mentioned nothing about Chevy competing against it. Only Ford. Truck looks good but I do agree w/the above, the truck is heavy. I'm sure there will be many tranny and rear end problems w/them as well. Even w/the viper engine, at the end of the day your still driving a Dodge.

 

I doubt that GM is looking to put out a truck that is over $50,000 for a shortbed regular cab. Yeah, Dodge will have bragging rights, but really - how many of them things do you think they will sell? Enough to cover the money for all the changes they had to make to build the trucks? I think the General knows a money loser / advertising gimmick when they see one.

 

I agree it is not a pickup it is a hotrod and what good is it, you won't haul anything in it because the payload is too small and you don't want to get it dirty and at 13 and change in the 1/4 it ain't fast

 

good points made guys, what about the sporty SUV like a smaller model trailblazer or maybe even an equinox. Im not sayin to put a V-10 in a blazer or anything, but i mean i'd rather drive a turbo-charged equinox then the SSR.

 

I love what Dodge is doing with the Rear wheel drive/ big engine combo. I personally think that a Viper powered Magnum is not to far off in the concept world. That woudl be awesome.

 

They out to put the V10 in the Neon or whatever they call it now and make that rear wheel drive then you would have something interesting I mean they put a 426ci Hemi in the Cuda didn't they ?

 

lol, i dont think a v10 would fit under the hood of a neon. The hood looks crouded as it is with a 4 cylinder, turbo and intercooler under there for the srt4.

 

All I know is the Dodge and Ford pickups look like poopie IMO.
I'm a Chevy guy and would but a Silverado in a heartbeat over the other two. The Dodge may be faster and the Ford may be quieter but those are not two attributes I look for in a truck when I buy one. Remember when truck were for hauling stuff, not parading around like some fancy boy.

 

Actually I think now Ford is saying that have a way to cool the supercharger better now and pull 550 hp / 500 tq. Regardless... Ford and Dodge are both puttin out 500 horse trucks, and while some people say big deal, its a niche part of the market, thats the same thing people said about the Viper.... and the new ford gt... I think GM really needs to step up and at least compete in these categories. Just through a stiff suspension, some ground effects, 20's big brakes and a Z06 engine in a Silverado. Just my 2 cents.

 

I doubt Ford has been putting out the lightning for 10 years to lose money.. They basically whacked the SVT Focus program (really cut back) because it wasnt turning a profit. Granted the new one is only supposed to be 38-40k.. Anyway I still see PLENTY of the previous models on the roads. I know GM never really turned a profit on the cyclone/typhoon but I think they were on the right track.


[Modified by KapUSMC, 5:52 AM 6/23/2004]

 

I think they are passing A/C lines around the supercharger to cool it. Either that or actually blowing the cold air on the blower. Something to that effect, or so i heard. I think it only does it at WOT or on command, not sure which.

 

I think the real thing was just just tweaking it to make sure it had a bigger number then the SRT Ram... Thing that kills me is I started seeing comercials for Silverado SS right after the Motor Trend comparo came out. I was like WTF!

 

I would definitely like to see Chevy/GM build a full-size hot-rod truck. They can make money on them if done right. Ford makes money on the Lightning...always has. I had a '99 Lightning for 5 years and just bought an '04. It's a great truck and it can actually be used as a truck (towing and payload over 6000lbs). The Dodge is just a hot-rod. You void the warranty if you tow with it and the payload is like 250lbs. That is less than the old 1/4 ton Syclone, I believe.

Also, as stated the Dodge runs mid-13s stock. "01-04 Lightnings run that stock. They don't quite run the trap speed the SRT does, but they are efficient in a short drag race b/c of a good trans/TQ converter combo helps them off the line.

As has been stated, the new Lightning will make over 500hp, but it will _also_ be 800lbs heavier than the current model. I expect it to maybe hit 12.9s in the 1/4 mile.

GM should _not_ put the LS6 motor in the SS. While an excellent engine (I have one, see sig), it makes its peak TQ too high in the rev-range... not good for a 5000lb vehicle. You could make up for this with a good auto trans and some more rear gear, but I think you'd need to have more bottom-end TQ to get a heavy truck off the line efficiently.

I don't know what GM hi-po V8 would be best to put in a full-size, hot-rod truck, but I'd like to see them come up with a plan. They WOULD sell, I know that for sure.

Also, Dodge is coming out with an SRT-8 in '05. This will be a 425hp Hemi motor for the Chrysler 300C/Dodge Magnum. Pretty cool concept.