Most independent labs have finance ties to the oil company being tested. I also think is humorous that these INDEPENDANT LABS are never named in these TESTS.

I still think Amsoil and Mobil 1 are good products, but like always ALL OIL COMPANYS thrive and feed on the "PHYSIOLOGICAL NEED" WE HUMANS HAVE TO BE SEPIEIOR TO THE NEXT GUY. The advertisers and marketing people know of the NEED, and exploit this to their full advantage most everyone gets caught up in this NEED to feel they have "one up on everyone" because how smart they are for choosing that product. Sheeeeese!!!!!!!!! Now I know I’m getting old this stuff is starting to irritate me.

PS: I was a psychology minor back in college and was forced to read (boring) about how this advertising affected people’s behavior

Sheeese now I to old to even spell right.

 

Might not mean much if it is the Independant Crack/Meth lab down the street.

 

ME: I think you meant to say 'Superior' and not 'physiology' but psychology ; physiology is a branch of biology dealing wth the functions and functioning of living matter and organism.

'WE HUMANS HAVE TO BE SEPIEIOR TO THE NEXT GUY. The advertisers and marketing people know of the NEED, and exploit this to their full advantage most everyone gets caught up in this NEED to feel they have "one up on everyone" because how smart they are for choosing that product. * Sheeeeese!!!!!!!!! Now I know I’m getting old this stuff is starting to irritate me.
'

ME: Its called Pride..and its easy for a person to fall into ; Albiet a false sense of insecurity.

 

Mobil1

 

Sorry I was late for a appointment and did not spell check like I should have. :bb

 

LOL

 

I've seen the Amsoil "bearing test" with a machine that lets you put presssure on bearing being turned by a motor,via a lever. The bearing sits in a well that is filled with a brand oil of your choice. As you apply pressure to the lever, the turning bearing will fail. When we filled it with Amsoil, we could not get the bearing to fail. I was sold, that is until the Shop Forman at our Volvo dealership's turbo cooked on his 85 240 GLT.
He changed his oil every 3-5 K, and always followed the shutdown procedure of letting the car idle for 30 secs before turning off. Most of our customers turbos were going 75-100K before needing replacement. His lasted 100K miles, just like the other cars not running Amsoil. I saw the bearing test not long before his turbo cooked from bearing failure. I was sold until then. This might not be the norm, draw your own conclusions.

 

Gary,
Sorry, wasn't trying to mislead anyone. I posted in every forum that I became a forum supporting vendor as an Independent AMSOIL Dealer when the AMSOIL link appeared to the left. The link is tagged as coming from my dealership. Profits from my AMSOIL sales go to support this site and my SCCA T1 Z06 racing effort.

I am supposed to have a forum supporting vendor i.d. on my signature, but it disappeared when the forum changed over. And my signature does have a link to my Independent AMSOIL Dealership, but I can't figure out how to make that automatically appear with the new software and I believe I forgot to "turn it on" when I originally posted.

For what its worth, and I understand the skepticism, the above oil comparisons were done by an independent lab. These results can be found on AMSOILs corporate website on a link at the bottom of the Product Information page called AMSOIL Performance Tests.
AMSOIL Corporate Homepage

I lost a Z06 motor last year to bearing failure during practice for an SCCA race while running Mobil 1 15w50, an excellent oil that many racers recommended. During the offseason, I spent weeks searching for a "better" oil to run this season. What impressed me is that AMSOIL was confident enough of their product to post these test results on their corporate website. I looked at numerous other oil companies websites, particularly those that are favored by racers, and found not one that had similar data posted showing their product is better. The question that kept coming back to me was simply, why? Redline has graphs showing how good it is, but they only show info labeled "company A", or "conventional oil". Mobil 1's site shows nothing. If it was so easy to skew independent lab tests, then why was only AMSOIL displaying this info with their competitors brand names all over it. And finally, if it wasn't verifiable, certifiable data, wouldn't one have the other oil companies have sued AMSOIL to remove it?

Conclusive? Certainly not. But enough so for me to give it a try, and I was impressed. I am now using AMSOIL Series 2000 20w50 in my SCCA T1 prepped Z06, and my oil temps are running about 15-20 degrees cooler than they were last summer in the same conditions. Nothing scientific about this "test" data, I'll admit. It was not done in controlled conditions. I don't have the time or money to do that. But with this same motor in the car, my oil temps at the end of a 40 minute SCCA race in upper 90s ambient was about 274 (with oil cooler) last July in St. Louis. At Hallett a few weeks ago, in temps my tire temp gauge said was 101 (the cars temp gauge said 98), my oil temp was 254 at the end of the race.

 

Show me a test by Mobil then that includes Amzoil. ( or royal Purple or redline.

I've never seen one.

 

I think it's really annoying that we are subjected to these sales pitches EVERYWHERE every time someone jumps on the Scamsoil bus.

I'll take my Mobil1, thanks, I can find it locally, for less money, and it is still the best IMHO.

 

The 4 ball test is for evaluating grease not motor oil.

'94 Merc Villager 320,000mi
Mobil 1, 1/4 qt every 6000 miles

Later,
JU

 

QUOTE=pws69]I think it's really annoying that we are subjected to these sales pitches EVERYWHERE every time someone jumps on the Scamsoil bus.

I'll take my Mobil1, thanks, I can find it locally, for less money, and it is still the best IMHO.[/QUOTE]


Well Water is even cheaper and I can get it right out of the hose.

Doesn't make it better

At least Amzoil is synthetic, Mobil is a mix or something to save cost...

 

Riiiiiight......

 

Well far be it to pick on a forum vendor but since you posted .....

The TBN using ASTM 2896 for the Mobil Supersyn is NOT 8.45 which would be more indicitive of the Mobil oil @ 4500 miles when ran in a tight engine . The TBN comes in at around 10.5 or 11.0 at most labs .

Quote:

" Why AMSOIL?
•First to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil. "
>>>>
To my knowledge Amsoil has never submitted it's PAO oils and paid the bucks to obtain API Licsensing rights . That is the price to undergo testing to be able to place the API donut on a bottle of oil and to guarantee the consumer notta problem when warranty issues arise from the engine makers . Sure they have API group III oils available but even these plain old severely hydrofinished dino's cost more than the Mobil Synthetic oils and if you were to go the their website you'll find these group III 30wts offered are only ACEA A1 rated by Amsoil ....right on par with Castrol GTX 30wts for 1.25 a quart .


Anyway .

Of note on the 4 ball testing . Go to the Amsoil site and cruise through their oils and you'll find that one will be tested at 150c - 1800 RPM and another at 75c but only at 1200 RPM ..... why do they do this ? Inquiring minds want to know why they don't test their entire line of oils in the same way . The wear scars sure look similar to me between them when done this way .

Next time I have an engine operated with 4 ***** in it I will certainly call Mobil and ask if they want to quantify Amsoils 4 ball claims and if the test is relevant to my engine in operation......even the other car made before 4-ball engine technology BTW , why doesn't Amsoil choose to place Redline or Synergyn in these tests ? Reading at the Redline website might reveal why if I'm not mistaken . I've been known too .

Has anyone seen the 3MP oil study where the 4 buck a quart Mobil went 18k miles in a LS1 with TBN remaining? Well last I saw the second phase of the test using Amsoil was at 9k , yes 9k and it looked very much like the engine oil would need be dumped at 10k due to TBN depletion and oxidative thickening. If it makes it past 10k it will only be due to the fact that a planned make-up quart was to be introduced .... time will tell but who in America runs even 10k miles ? A few I suppose but for those that do run up to only 7500 miles the Mobil oil is the clear winner in price vs performance IMO based on analysi's I have seen and price vs performance is what it's all about right ?

Mobil 4 bucks a quart -18k in a LS1
Amsoil 6-8 bucks a quart- sputtering at 9k in the same engine

Quote:
"I've seen the Amsoil "bearing test" with a machine that lets you put presssure on bearing being turned by a motor,via a lever. The bearing sits in a well that is filled with a brand oil of your choice. As you apply pressure to the lever, the turning bearing will fail."

That would be the Timken Load Test , different deal there . I've seen chlorine put in those that outperformed the other motor oils tested . Great show at the State fair You probably have heard of the chlorinated paraffins used in some over the counter snake oils that can cause severe corrosion and a couple companies have been hit by the FTC.


I used the Amsoil 10w-40 in my daughters car once . It's formulated as a light 40wt and the oil thickened right at 2 full centistrokes in only 4200 miles . If I wanted to run a 50wt in a V6 Ford I would have bought another oil Just another weakness IMO that changes my opinion of Amsoil .......Mobil is some stay in grade stuff . Put it in at 10.2 cSt's , run it and it comes out very,very close .

Hope I did not come off too harsh and there is more I'd like to comment on but times short today. Oil is a fact vs fiction topic for me .It should be for other consumers as well . Not just " my mechanic says too use.............

We learn all about carbs , cams and wheel offset . Why not learn a little about motor oils ? It's quite interesting .