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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 01:45 AM
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Default 3rd Brake Light-When did it first appear?

I don't want to cluster up the thread any further in the parts for sale section. So when did the third brake light first appear in production?
Everything I have found says 1986 was the first year for it. But the person responding says a GM dealer has provided him with part numbers for the lamps, and specifically lists it as '84 and '85 models.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 02:06 AM
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86 was the first year.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 02:56 AM
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yup. The then new GM sedans, the Lesabre, Olds Delta 88 and such, were the first models to have the HMSL - High Mounted Stop Light - installed.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 03:34 AM
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Maybe the GM dealer was counting the four round brake lights in which case the "third brake light" is really the fifth brake light. Nothing the GM dealer does surprises me anymore. You can hardly find a salesman who knows not only about Corvettes but even the rest of the line. I just test drove a nice 2002 that was listed as having the handling package. It didn't and that was a critical option that I wanted. Lucky I knew more about Corvettes than the dealer. Amnd yes-86 was the first year for the fifth brake light
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86 on all cars,government mandate. How many here remember which year they mandated side markers??
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 09:00 AM
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Lighted side markers became required by Frderal law in 1965, IIRC.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Daffy427
86 on all cars,government mandate. How many here remember which year they mandated side markers??

What about seatbelts? Was that 64/65?
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JrRifleCoach
86 was the first year.

That's correct. Not to start a battle, but I was soooooo p!ssed when GM put that third light on the top of the Vette. IMHO ugly. I won't buy a year that has the third light on top.
Since it has to be on the car, I like it much more on the rear end. That way it does not interrupt the flow of the Vette's body lines.
JMO.
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I agree, that's why I wanted the 85, same TPI engine, but better lines (in my opinion)
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
Lighted side markers became required by Frderal law in 1965, IIRC.
I don't think that is true - I am looking at a pic of a 1966 Pontiac Lemans I used to own and no side marker lights are visible. I did a quick check on Google and none are apparent on 67's either. They are in place by 1968.
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
Lighted side markers became required by Frderal law in 1965, IIRC.
Thanks for that little bit of info.
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Originally Posted by Paul Campbell
I don't think that is true - I am looking at a pic of a 1966 Pontiac Lemans I used to own and no side marker lights are visible. I did a quick check on Google and none are apparent on 67's either. They are in place by 1968.

I thought the marker was the arrow that lit up.
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I thought I may have been mistaken so I researched it further. Side marker lights were first mandated in 1968. www.cartalk.com/content/ columns/Archive/1995/July/08.html
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I'm thinking it was '87, since my '87 Regal T-Type, turbo had one that year nad not '86....but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by Paul Campbell
I don't think that is true - I am looking at a pic of a 1966 Pontiac Lemans I used to own and no side marker lights are visible. I did a quick check on Google and none are apparent on 67's either. They are in place by 1968.

You're right hit the wrong key. January 1, 1968 was when the Federal law went into effect.

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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 11:30 AM
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Some GM cars had CHMSL's (center high mounted stop lamp) in 1985. My 1985 Chevy Eurosport had one. At work, lucky me gets to install 42 of those lights an hour.......among other things
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Originally Posted by Paul Campbell
I thought I may have been mistaken so I researched it further. Side marker lights were first mandated in 1968. www.cartalk.com/content/ columns/Archive/1995/July/08.html
My 68 MGB-GT (see pic behind Corvette) has NO side marker lights. In 69 they put on side reflector's (that look like lights but aren't). It wasn't until 1970 that MGB's had lighted side markers. Maybe the rules were different for imports.....
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I liked the high-mounted brake light. In fact, I was hoping someone would have come out with a kit to make it pop up and down when you press/depress the brake pedal to match the functionality of the C4 headlights on the front.
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Originally Posted by onedef92
I liked the high-mounted brake light. In fact, I was hoping someone would have come out with a kit to make it pop up and down when you press/depress the brake pedal to match the functionality of the C4 headlights on the front.
I could deal with your suggestion. idea!!
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Originally Posted by XPLOCIV
I could deal with your suggestion. idea!!
Think we could come up with a kit? If you've got the tech savvy, I can handle the installation documentation. Seriously.
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