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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 07:55 PM
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Sorry Redeasysport but you are reading something into it that is not there. It says to remove the negative terminal to prevent electrical damage to you or equipment due to a short w/ your equipment. It does not say you will damage anything by removing the positive terminal. Remove the negative instead of the positive for safety as stated before.

And the reason you can weld a wrench on the positive side and not the negative is:
When you short the negative to the car you are only pulling whatever current is drawn at the time w/ the battery hooked up. Usually everything is off except for minimal radio and ECM current and maybe a light. This is maybe 5 amps or so.
When you short the positive to the car (w/ the negative hooked up) you are pulling maximum current the battery can provide (650 cold cranking amps depending on your battery).

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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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I just wanted to say that this has been a very "positive" experience reading this thread.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mitymek
i was gonna call on there being a difference (besides the danger of sparking as posted above) until you explained it like that.
i think Ricks alot like me,been wrenching on junk for years but sometimes this new technology brings up things like this that used to not be an issue but nowdays with all the electronics on vehicles a person needs to be thinking all the time.
good post Rick,thanks for bringing it up
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jfb
Also, electrons flow out of the negative terminal and into the positive terminal of ALL batteries. The flow out of the positive terminal is called conventional current and comes from the early scientists not knowing about the flow of electrons and took a stab at calling one battery terminal positive and believing that electric current flowed out of the positive terminal. They had a 50% chance of being right and got it wrong, .....but.....if you take courses in electronics conventional current flow is taught along with an explanation that really, electrons flow from the negative terminal of the power source to the positive terminal.
I believe that it was in fact Ben Franklin who made the "wrong" choice for naming + and - battery terminals. He was conducting his own electrical experiments in the early days of battery discovery and development, and he decided that the side with too many electrons was the + side. He assumed that they were flowing to the - side where there were too few electrons.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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thanks for all the responses-now I believe I understand and will always disconnect the negative from now on.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 10:34 AM
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Its a safety issue. The one thing you should never do is disconnect the battery leads when the car is running and then reconnect them as a way of checking the altenator.

Anytime I work on a car I disconnect the battery. Which lead it is doesn't really matter, but for safety I disconnect the - 1st.
As long as the - is still hooked up you can short out the +.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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A general consensus is reached, but just to address the wrench-welding question in particular...

As many have stated, electrons DO flow from negative to positive and in the sense, think of electricity as traveling from the negative post of the battery, through the ground (car's metal surfaces) into each electrical component (through their attached ground) and back to the battery (eventually) through all those red/yellow/white/etc "power" wires from individual components.

Now when you take the negative side off FIRST you can touch the wrench to the frame and nothing will happen. There is no flow of electricity FROM the negative terminal. Kill the negative side connection, kill the flow of electricty.

If you leave the negative side of the battery on, by touching a wrench to the positive side and the frame, you are creating a direct, almost zero-resistance, ground from the negative post to the positive post. Electricity is "flowing" through all metal surfaces of the car, the "ground." Electricty will ALWAYS seek the path of least resistance, and by holding a solid, conductive wrench (like most wrenches are, opposed to expensive non-conductive) from the frame to the positive post, electricity will always choose to travel that path than though all the resistors, poor wire connection, path through your car's electrical system.

Hence why, remove the negative terminal first, positive second.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 65Z01
there is no danger or the wrench shorting out against a metal part if you remove the neg terminal first.

That's the reason I do it that way (remove the ground first), and the only valid reason I know of.

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Originally Posted by rocco16
That's the reason I do it that way (remove the ground first), and the only valid reason I know of.

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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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It goes on and on and on and on and on....
Come to think of it ... arent' those lyrics to an old song....
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