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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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no kidding... all sorts of rancor flying around.

This is a DISCUSSION forum, not a DIS forum...

geez.

As for the hood... I have always seen them with the external NACA ducts.

As for information about the original motor in a crate, fine, I missed that, but dude, there is no reason to get all hostile...

I will be the first to admit I am not an expert on the subtleties of a Callaway... that's why I deferred to said experts.

if you want to have a peacefull existance here on CF, I would check the attitude at the door... trust me, we have enough of it going around, but at least they properly introduced themselves before taking on the roll of Accuracy ****.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SomeGuy
Greetings, I am just SomeGuy.

The account was actually created yesterday
No profile needed.

As pointed out by rstackjd, "Obviously SomeGuy knows Callaways". After reading this thread, obviously some guys do not.


Moving along to CAC where the Callaway information comes to you in a "Crystal Ball free zone"...
Fine by me... we don't need another troll acting like God.

It's one thing to know stuff... it's another to blast people who are trying to share AND LEARN.

Chill, dude...
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Originally Posted by joshwilson3
Here is what he told me about the auto conversion:

The car was originally ordered as 6-speed car and as a result, it has a full level of options not avail with automatics for 1989.

While Callaway Cars converted 17 cars for 1989 as automatics, the automatic conversion on this car was done in 1996 when the car received a whole host of other upgrades done by the previous owner.

The cars conversion from 6-speed to automatic was done professionaly and has the correct console, pedal cage, shifter, etc.
Are we to assume then it has the TH400 and GVOD? I sure hope so... I don't see any 700R4 taking that kinda torque for very long!!!!
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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I will learn I was just trying to keep track of and learn anything new about the 511 Callaway twin-turbos built from 1986 thru 1991 Corvettes This thread doesn't make that easy. Anyway that car is a chance for somebody else to enjoy one awesome C-4 Vette.

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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:01 PM
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Wow

That’s is the kind of car im looking for, I also am looking at the 1989 with 350+ HP with 60,000 miles on it for $10.000
It is in great condition and was owned buy a rich guy , I haven’t seen what he has under the hood yet could it be a Callaway?
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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I will learn I was just trying to keep track of and learn anything new about the 511 Callaway twin-turbos built from 1986 thru 1991 Corvettes This thread doesn't make that easy. Anyway that car is a chance for somebody else to enjoy one awesome C-4 Vette.
You are so very right.

I will help...

The Callaway was offered from model years 1987 to 1991. It is was offered under the RPO B2K.

When ordered, a new Vette was shipped from Bowling Green to Callaway in CT for conversion. The base cost of a B2K conversion was about $27k!

When Reeves took on the project, GM told him they had a finished TT 350ci ready to go, just not the desire to deal with it (essentially). So Reeves takes that engine, stress tests it and blows it to bits in no time flat (30 minutes on an engine dyno sticks in my head).

After realizing that all GM did was throw TTs on a stock 350, he goes through the engine and proceeds to upgrade everything: bearings, seals, rings, pistons... I don't remember what else.

Over the 5 years, 500 were made, including a few specials and the introduction of the aero body kit.

As mentioned, Dymags are worth a FORTUNE... so is a good aero body kit. The body kits are worth well over $6k the last time I checked (I think I heard rumors that Callaway is reissuing some body kits, but I am not sure if I dreamed that or actually heard that). Dymags sell for no LESS than $3k a set. And those are usually used up... scuffed and in need of repair.

Other upgrades were available from Callaway... incedently, the coil over kit they used came from Doug Rippie, and was installed by Callaway.

The automatic was an option, but at about $6k, it was very rare.

In 1992, Callaway, pissed at GM (warrantee issues and the big corporate log jam called GM), gives up the B2K option and creates an engine kit called the "SuperNatural." That kit, updated for the LSx family of engines, is still available.

I hope this helps with the details. If you want to learn more about the Callaway, check out Dave McClellan's book, Corvette From the Inside and the ever famous Corvette Black Book. The BB covers build numbers and detail changes from year to year.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by C-4 Now
I will learn I was just trying to keep track of and learn anything new about the 511 Callaway twin-turbos built from 1986 thru 1991 Corvettes This thread doesn't make that easy. Anyway that car is a chance for somebody else to enjoy one awesome C-4 Vette.
You are so very right.

I will help...

The Callaway was offered from model years 1987 to 1991. It is was offered under the RPO B2K.

When ordered, a new Vette was shipped from Bowling Green to Callaway in CT for conversion. The base cost of a B2K conversion was about $27k!

When Reeves took on the project, GM told him they had a finished TT 350ci ready to go, just not the desire to deal with it (essentially). So Reeves takes that engine, stress tests it and blows it to bits in no time flat (30 minutes on an engine dyno sticks in my head).

After realizing that all GM did was throw TTs on a stock 350, he goes through the engine and proceeds to upgrade everything: bearings, seals, rings, pistons... I don't remember what else.

Over the 5 years, 500 were made, including a few specials and the introduction of the aero body kit.

As mentioned, Dymags are worth a FORTUNE... so is a good aero body kit. The body kits are worth well over $6k the last time I checked (I think I heard rumors that Callaway is reissuing some body kits, but I am not sure if I dreamed that or actually heard that). Dymags sell for no LESS than $3k a set. And those are usually used up... scuffed and in need of repair.

Other upgrades were available from Callaway... incedently, the coil over kit they used came from Doug Rippie, and was installed by Callaway.

The automatic was an option, but at about $6k, it was very rare.

In 1992, Callaway, pissed at GM (warrantee issues and the big corporate log jam called GM), gives up the B2K option and creates an engine kit called the "SuperNatural." That kit, updated for the LSx family of engines, is still available.

I hope this helps with the details. If you want to learn more about the Callaway, check out Dave McClellan's book, Corvette From the Inside and the ever famous Corvette Black Book. The BB covers build numbers and detail changes from year to year.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SomeGuy
I see you also suffer from "multiple posts"

I noticed the wheels. Dymags in excellent condition have gone for as much as $8,000.
Someguy,

This weekend the site admins have been upgrading to new multi-server database software. Most of the weekend search was down. Today posting was difficult for most of the morning.

It is not usually like this, and with the upgrades it should be really quick for a while.

Some of us know the owner of this car from local gatherings. He doesn't brag about his Callaways very much and hangs in Southeast, that's why the Kali folks don't know him. Although anyone with 3 of them and who found this steal of a car has a right to brag. I still don't know why he's selling.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:15 PM
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Bogus: You constantly impress me with your Corvette knowledge. Won't nit-pik your details. I already own 1989 Callaway #59. Was as I said just trying to keep track and learn more. Have owned many Vettes since 1969 and it's never been easy to sort fact from fiction but it helps to have more books than Barnes & Noble on your book shelves including all the ones you mentioned. By the way at a Callaway seminar Reeves said that motor lasted 5 minutes Ike
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Bogus: You constantly impress me with your Corvette knowledge. Won't nit-pik your details. I already own 1989 Callaway #59. Was as I said just trying to keep track and learn more. Have owned many Vettes since 1969 and it's never been easy to sort fact from fiction but it helps to have more books than Barnes & Noble on your book shelves including all the ones you mentioned. By the way at a Callaway seminar Reeves said that motor lasted 5 minutes Ike
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Bogus: You constantly impress me with your Corvette knowledge. Won't nit-pik your details. I already own 1989 Callaway #59. Was as I said just trying to keep track and learn more. Have owned many Vettes since 1969 and it's never been easy to sort fact from fiction but it helps to have more books than Barnes & Noble on your book shelves including all the ones you mentioned. By the way at a Callaway seminar Reeves said that motor lasted 5 minutes Ike
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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Callaway are one of a kind car. No one can dispute that. But 32k for 89? without aerobody? I 'll pass. Maybe for some collector will buy it at that price. Unless you just want a cool twin turbo vette. As for power, it way behind compare to today car with mods. Back in 89 it's day it is the "King" But again only what it worth is what people willing to pay.
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Callaway are one of a kind car. No one can dispute that. But 32k for 89? without aerobody? I 'll pass. Maybe for some collector will buy it at that price. Unless you just want a cool twin turbo vette. As for power, it way behind compare to today car with mods. Back in 89 it's day it is the "King" But again only what it worth is what people willing to pay.
700 + foot pounds of torque is way behind compared to today? What are you smoking? People write way bigger checks than $32 K to beat that kind of power in a C5.

Without the aerobody 99.9% of the Corvette owners would never guess what it is. Some even think an aero body is just a cheap body kit.
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Bogus: You constantly impress me with your Corvette knowledge. Won't nit-pik your details. I already own 1989 Callaway #59. Was as I said just trying to keep track and learn more. Have owned many Vettes since 1969 and it's never been easy to sort fact from fiction but it helps to have more books than Barnes & Noble on your book shelves including all the ones you mentioned. By the way at a Callaway seminar Reeves said that motor lasted 5 minutes Ike
Thanks for the complement... I, like you, must read entirely too much...

I woulda checked the book myself, but CentralCoaster still has it!

I would love to own a Callaway... that would be cool.

A friend of mine back east, Jack Layton, has a champage and brown 87. It's tight. Right around 30k original miles. All original, too.

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Originally Posted by SomeGuy
New to Vettes? No. Been around for over a decade and a half.

New to this site? No. I have "lurked" before. There is a better webboard out there IMHO. There is a reason why I like the Corvette Action Center much better than this site, the site actually WORKS.

New account? Yes, as I felt like tossing in my $0.02 on a car that some people look for information in a crystal ball and are too lazy to call the seller to find out the information they desire. When I want to know about a car for sale I contact the seller, and do not depend on "internet fact" from people who are not even familiar with the marque, much less the car.

New to Callaways? No. If you were at Corvettes @ Carlisle any time over the past few years you would have seen me with the Callaway Owners Group.


Wow! A whole, fifteen years of Corvette watching! Hanging with the Calloway owners, wow. Last few years at Carlisle, wow. Can't fill out a form, wow. Like the CAC, wow. $0.02, wow.

Sharing info on this site, good. I've learned a lot so far on this one thread. Thanks, guys.
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Originally Posted by Bruce
Callaway are one of a kind car. No one can dispute that. But 32k for 89? without aerobody? I 'll pass. Maybe for some collector will buy it at that price. Unless you just want a cool twin turbo vette. As for power, it way behind compare to today car with mods. Back in 89 it's day it is the "King" But again only what it worth is what people willing to pay.
huh? That kinda power is killer... especially in a special edition car.

There are people going broke, as FELNGR8 said, trying to get their C5s into that territory!!

I feel, from reading many of the posts here, that this car is priced about right.
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Bruce: Can't believe you have a small $$$$$$ investment in your car. Looks like it will run? quarter mile times?? I don't have the areobody and have decided that this car is not going to get it either. Some of us "over the hill gang" love the sleeper thing
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Default ...aside from 2 e-mails, why hasn't anyone contacted the seller for info on it?

Folks, since 90% of the information posted here so far seems to be "best guesses" and speculation, as well as book "facts" and other mis-information, I thought I would chime in...


Let's see if we cannot get the facts right here...

The car is indeed a 1989 Callaway Twin Turbo Corvette. It has had the original engine removed and crated by the previous owner. It has all the correct number stampings on it. That, and the transmission were swapped over in 1996 by LPE - yes, that LPE, to an engine w/ significantly more cubic inches

The transmission was replaced w/ a 700r4 by Rossler at the same time and is all on the paperwork totalling over $23k from LPE (although most of the components were Calla. part #'s )
The past owner who had the work done said there were never any issues w/ the 700 trans BTW since install in '96 - I personally had a Rossler built 700r4 in my TA behind a stroker motor, and had no issues in over 10 yrs - see the www.rosslertrans.com website to look at their accolades

The seats - they were not "Armor-all'd" or "Lexol'd" or any other "all'd" treatments slathered on. They are as Bluewasp said, nice, original seats.

The car has the sought after Callaway Coilover Suspension and Big WonderBar. These two items that Callaway Owners highly regard and many have added to their cars at costs well over the $6k mark after installation, the car in the ad already has that, over and above .

Regarding the vales of a Callaway TwinTurbo Corvette. A recent collector car type magazine that follows the market offered this guide for values based upon vaious data points thay had access to:


Looking at the chart, a 1989 Callaway Twin Turbo Corvette carries a price tag of $23,125 on the low side and $34,875 on the high side - also recognizing there are cars even better than the "high" dollar ammt.

Neither of those figures I can assure you, take into account AeroBodies, which of course would add even greater value to the car.
The Callaway Coilovers and Big WonderBar are also not factored into the price sheet above either - they clearly would not detract from the value, esp. w/ the paperwork...

So it looks on paper, like the price of the car at $32,000 really does not take much of any of the addl. hardware into consideration - just makes the car a whole lot more car at that price. ... and IMO, very attractive.

I find it most interesting here though, that all the talk & opinions are flying without really any contact with the owner.

I understand that JoshWilson3 is looking for feedback however, weren't his e-mails answered by the seller for every question he asked?

Why are others here making speculations about a car that they have never seen before, let alone called the owner about?

In fact, Other than JoshWilson3's two e-mails, Bluewasp and FELNGR8, and possibly "SomeGuy(?)", I do not recall anyone else seeing or asking about the car...

If the car is advertised here, and in a way it is (on Vettehound), isn't it against Forum rules to make some of the comments - again, without ever seeing the car?

Outside of this site, on the Callaway Marketplace, there is a paragraph that we adhere to out of respect for one another - it goes like this,

"Any comments about the prices or conditions in relation to value should be kept in line with what is generally considered proper etiquette when it comes to an ethical business dealing - Bottom line, unless you have gone and looked, driven, or know the history of a certain car, please do not make any disparaging remarks."

So how do I know all what I have said above?

...I own the car in the ad.

If you have any further questions regarding the car, It would be nice to hear them personally at the contact info avail., rather than to come home from work, and see three pages of useless banter online about it.

For the guy who P.M.'d me about the car and possibly coming to look at it, we'll see if our schedules can work out -

Thanks for everyone else's interest in the car


BTW, here is a pic I just took tonight of the interior - the light glare is from the interior lights - I hope this helps

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