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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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I was talking to a car dealer friend of mine today and he knows of a broken C4 he thinks is an 87 that I can get cheap. I've owned C-3's long enough to know that cheap and corvette don't go together but I need to know what are the big ticket things to repair. What areas of the car are not economically repairable? Any problems I should run away from?

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Just like C3's, any rear end work is expensive. Also check frame for rust, but the C4 does not seem as prone to rust as the C3.

The electronics are not really expensive, but can be a pain. Interior restoration can add up quickly as well as getting it painted.

Looking at expenses, not really much different than the late C3's. By the way, nice 82!!
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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As you said, Corvette and "cheap" can't really be used in the same sentence. But C4 parts can be found with not a lot of searching and outside of the electronics are not that hard to work on.

Do you know what tranny is in the car? The manual trans in the 87 is the Doug Nash 4+3 which is a Borg-Warner Super T-10 4-speed with a two-speed electronically controlled OD unit. They can be problematic and it can cost up to $1300 for just the rebuilt OD unit.

The 350 motor is not a lot different than others so a good crate motor like a ZZ4 works fine for a replacement. The TPI system is not hard to work on. As mentioned, paint and interior can be pricey; figure $1200 for new seat foam and leather, $500 for carpets.

The C4 rides smoother and there is much more room in the interior. Gas mileage can approach 25-29 MPG when cruising. The brakes are better and cheap to do. The steering is rack and pinion so it will be more precise and smoother than the C3 hydraulic assisted steering.

Rust is not an issue with the C4 frame as the majority of the frame is inside the body. C4's use SMC (Sheet Molded Compound) as the body material instead of the earlier fiberglass mat layup.

I would certainly look at good-quality running C4's as an alternative to bringing one back to life. It might be cheaper inthe long run especially if you want to drive one now.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 08:39 AM
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Thanks for the information and the compliment.

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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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as an advice i say GET IT
you won't regret !
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:08 AM
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I have had bad luck with transmissions, on the A4. Also when you first start the car see if the steering is sticky. This means you need a new rack and pinion. It will only do it when it has been sitting for a while.
after it is started once it usually won't do it again for the rest of the day. These are the only things that I see as major problems on the early cars. I have had several C4's, you will love it.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Personally I think 87 is a very good year.....but I may be biased.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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As has been said, the most expensive stuff is cosmetic. Just find a pristine car, as it is cheaper than fixing up. The price difference between a POS C4 and a good one is not very much when all things are considered.

Here's what I've posted in the past, and it has been edited to be up to date:

I posted this in a recent thread about buying advice:

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When I was looking I wanted an early C4, preferably a vert. I specifically went Auto because of the incredible reputation of the 4+3'
s OD unit.

I bought an 87 Vert in a color I like, with 45k miles. Tons of new parts and work done. New paint, recent top and windshield, new wheels and tires, recent Magnaflow exhaust, and more. I have put in a lot of parts because of age related dryrot. Rubber doesn't like to age gracefully.

-Radiator
-----Because it had a leak in the plastic side tank.
-Radiator hoses
-----One leaked, other was just old.
-Many emissions hoses
-----Really brittle and broke if you looked at them.
-Brake Master Cylinder
-----Leaked out a seal in the back into the booster.
-Brake Power Booster
-----Not MC related, the diaphragm got a hole in it.
-Transmission Pan Gasket(cork)
-----Started leaking fluid on my garage floor. Did a fluid and filter change at the time just because.

I have replaced other stuff like dash LCDs, MAF Sensor and relays, battery, and did regular maintenance such as fluid and filter changes.

That said, I've driven it 11k miles over almost 2 years and it's been a great ride. The last 3k miles it's been problem free. The car just wasn't driven much the previous 19 years, so the rubber parts needed to get replaced. It happens on old cars.

If I paid for half of the crap corvetteronw poured into the car before I got it, I'd never own another Vette ever. He paid for all the stuff I listed in the second paragraph. I have only spent around $1k, but I did all of the labor.

My advice
-Find a car that someone else ate it on. You pay more, but you get more.
-Buy a loved car, not a fixer upper that the buyer seems to want to dump.
-Between a 4+3 car and a ZF6 car, get the ZF6 everytime.
-If possible, get lower mileage, despite all the maintenance I've mentioned it's still a nice thing.
I also wanted to add:

-Starters
-----I haven't had any issues on the Vette, but if it did go, rebuilding one is very cheap to do. Check your phone book for places that rebuild starters and alternators. The place I go to will sell me the parts I need dirt cheap. I got brushes for my Lincoln's starter for $15.
-Opti
-----The early cars didn't have this, so I have nothing I can say.
-Weatherstripping
-----Get one with replaced weatherstripping. That stuff is very expensive to replace. Preferably General Motors WS. According to most forum members, the aftermarket stuff generally has fitment issues.
-Interior
-----Leather seat covers and foam can cost you a grand, door panels are $500. Plastic console pieces are around $100 each. A replacement steering wheel for an early car(84 - 89) is around $300. Carpet is pricey and can cost hundreds.
-Tops
-----A replacement top runs quite a bit for a coupe. I don't have exact values to rattle off, but get a car with a minty one. For verts, soft tops run $500 and up(+install), vinyl being cheaper than a nice cloth one. A nice upgrade for cars that didn't have it, there are kits to get a glass rear window instead of the stupid plastic one. I have it and make sure to put a towel on it when down to prevent scratching.
-Exterior
-----Paint is VERY expensive to get done right. Preferably get a car with excellent GM paint, or carefully inspect the repaint. If any corners appear to have been cut, you cut AND RUN. Thousands to repair bad paint.
-Tires
-----Preferably get one with newer tires. Vette tires aren't cheap. A set of high end Goodyears, Michelins or Toyos can run more than a grand for a set of 4.
-Engine
-----Get receipts for regular maintenance. My car came with a binder full of receipts showing a trend of good maintenance. Generally you don't want to mess with a Carb conversion car, they can be troublesome because you are fiddling with someone else's creation. There are ones that are done right, and you'll know they were when you come across them.
-Transmission
-----Avoid the 4+3, it's OD unit can be troublesome. General consensus is that the ZF6 unit was a much better transmission. The auto generally appears to be good for at least 100k. I changed my fluid and filter weeks after I got my car and will change it biyearly now(every 12k). I changed it even though there was a receipt of a dealership doing it just 1k miles before. At least I know it was done right.

That's what comes to me right now. I may have rambled but I hope it was helpful.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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repair costs are about the same maybe a little higher, until you have to replace electronics then you will need deep pockets.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 03:24 PM
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Among alot of the stuff mentioned I'd be asking if the fuel injectors have been changed......

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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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I would buy any C4 cheap, as long as the paint/body was in good shape. That's the only thing on a C4 that cannot be easily/cheaply fixed.
Everything else, is just normal car stuff.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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I will say this, the TPI is fairly difficult to work on, but the rest is a piece of cake. TPI parts can be expensive depending on what it is. MAF sensors are known for being expensive, as well as the injectors.

Another thing you might be concerned about is if you like to mod. When you modify these cars you have reprogram the computer for things like cams, bigger injectors, more cubes. That aint cheap either.
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