did chevy**** us?
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Heel & Toe
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did chevy**** us?
ok im about to get my new tires mounted on my stock rims ... i guess my rims have some kinda tire sensor on the rims(i was told steel band type) wich got me to thinking they must be powerd somehow to transmit the data so i figured it would be a good time to replace the batteries... well 2 different dealers told me that they are discontinued (and they are "sealed units you cant replace the batteries so i guess chevy either :
1) put a ***** wonka everylasting gobstopper batteries in the sensors
2)they could give a **** about the c4 owners and eventually we will all have tire/computer problems
thanks chevy (i think we should start a lawsuit) they make a product that WILL go out thus causing lots of tire problems because these also monitor tire slippage as in your anti slip traction controll hope the tire installers dont greak the sensors removing the tires
feel free to pm me if you would like
1) put a ***** wonka everylasting gobstopper batteries in the sensors
2)they could give a **** about the c4 owners and eventually we will all have tire/computer problems
thanks chevy (i think we should start a lawsuit) they make a product that WILL go out thus causing lots of tire problems because these also monitor tire slippage as in your anti slip traction controll hope the tire installers dont greak the sensors removing the tires
feel free to pm me if you would like
Team Owner
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St. Jude Donor '05
I dont know about you but Im 39 and everything breaks or wears out eventually. Blocks, trannies, livers, kidneys...
And you want to sue GM for a 15-20 yr old part?
Throw those things in the trash and drive it.
And you want to sue GM for a 15-20 yr old part?
Throw those things in the trash and drive it.
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Those tire sensors have nothing to do with monitoring tire slippage!
The only thing they do is monitor air pressure variance. You can do that with a tire gauge, like the millions of other cars on the road.
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ok im about to get my new tires mounted on my stock rims ... i guess my rims have some kinda tire sensor on the rims(i was told steel band type) wich got me to thinking they must be powerd somehow to transmit the data so i figured it would be a good time to replace the batteries... well 2 different dealers told me that they are discontinued (and they are "sealed units you cant replace the batteries so i guess chevy either :
1) put a ***** wonka everylasting gobstopper batteries in the sensors
2)they could give a **** about the c4 owners and eventually we will all have tire/computer problems
thanks chevy (i think we should start a lawsuit) they make a product that WILL go out thus causing lots of tire problems because these also monitor tire slippage as in your anti slip traction controll hope the tire installers dont greak the sensors removing the tires
feel free to pm me if you would like
1) put a ***** wonka everylasting gobstopper batteries in the sensors
2)they could give a **** about the c4 owners and eventually we will all have tire/computer problems
thanks chevy (i think we should start a lawsuit) they make a product that WILL go out thus causing lots of tire problems because these also monitor tire slippage as in your anti slip traction controll hope the tire installers dont greak the sensors removing the tires
feel free to pm me if you would like
Besides the unit can come apart and the piezo cell canbe serviced. They are a POS system though.
BTW, the sesnors do nothing but monitor the tire pressure.
Instructor
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Those sensors are for the LTPWS, which have nothing to do with the ASR. Federal law only requires manufacturers to stock enough parts to cover the entire warranty period up to 10 years. Which means at the very least, your luck would have run out back in '06 in considering any type of ridiculous lawsuit. and fwiw, the only time i hear of the sensors breaking is when the tire installers screw it up.
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Burning Brakes
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...more or less!I wouldn't throw them away. Save them and the receiver for another 10-15 years and the restorers will be paying big bucks for them. Also, the C4 tire pressure sensors are self-powered by vibration. The next generation were battery powered and had to be replaced when the battery went dead-an expensive and totally ludicrous design (doesn't say much for people who buy it).
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Take the sensors off the rims and pull the LTPWS and tire pressure bulbs behind the DIC. Problem solved.
Or purchase a used set which in most cases are year specific and tire specific and take a chance on it going out in the near future.
Or purchase a used set which in most cases are year specific and tire specific and take a chance on it going out in the near future.
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Those sensors are for the LTPWS, which have nothing to do with the ASR. Federal law only requires manufacturers to stock enough parts to cover the entire warranty period up to 10 years. Which means at the very least, your luck would have run out back in '06 in considering any type of ridiculous lawsuit. and fwiw, the only time i hear of the sensors breaking is when the tire installers screw it up.
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Come to think of it, as far as my 'up to 10 year max' statement on warrantied items, i actually may inadvertently be thinking of the regulations on safety recalls as stated by the NHTSA, which says that defective parts must be replaced at no charge for up to 10 years, which would obviously mean that the product must be readily available for at least 10 years. I've never been able to find the actual federal bills on recalled items, so i'm afraid the FAQ is the best i can do.
http://www.safercar.gov/pages/ODIFAQsRev2.htm
... lemon laws, warranty laws, safety recalls, etc.... even though they're all pretty much the same thing, when trying to locate the appropriate information, none of it is in the same place.
That's the Federal Govt. for you... making it so confusing that you just don't want to bother trying to make sense of it all.
Last edited by 300HPisnotenough; Dec 22, 2007 at 01:08 AM.
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Best thing is to remove them. There have been instances of them coming loose, inside the tire, at high speeds. As in, instant tire unbalance. Not good.
FWIW, I've only seen remarks about this in the ZR-1 section, at some silly speeds, but, you never know.
FWIW, I've only seen remarks about this in the ZR-1 section, at some silly speeds, but, you never know.
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '08 thru '26
If you would like to read up on the working mechanics of the system go over to the ZR1NetRegistry site and look in the maintenance section.
You can disgard the wheel sensors and pull the bulb from the DIC. One of the most common faults is that the fairaday battery becomes stuck and does not supply voltage to the board in the wheel sensor. Another common fault, I think anyway, is a condensor failure.
Tom
You can disgard the wheel sensors and pull the bulb from the DIC. One of the most common faults is that the fairaday battery becomes stuck and does not supply voltage to the board in the wheel sensor. Another common fault, I think anyway, is a condensor failure.
Tom
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Damn thing needs to be programmed out via software. (It's part of the BCM firmware/software- can't disconnect the light. While the gauges look analog, they are indeed digital, and the cluster is electronic and sealed, no bulbs)
Bummer
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what I meant by it is, technically, parts only have to be available for the entire warranty period of the car. If the car is warrantied for 3 years, availability of the part would be required for 3 years, ie a 10 year warranty on a car would require part availability for 10 years, but only up to a max of 10 years. Manufacturer laws will differ from state to state..... here is the TX regulation on vehicle warranties. which actually really isn't that specific. https://www.license.state.tx.us/vpp/vpplaw.htm#2306001
Come to think of it, as far as my 'up to 10 year max' statement on warrantied items, i actually may inadvertently be thinking of the regulations on safety recalls as stated by the NHTSA, which says that defective parts must be replaced at no charge for up to 10 years, which would obviously mean that the product must be readily available for at least 10 years. I've never been able to find the actual federal bills on recalled items, so i'm afraid the FAQ is the best i can do.
http://www.safercar.gov/pages/ODIFAQsRev2.htm
... lemon laws, warranty laws, safety recalls, etc.... even though they're all pretty much the same thing, when trying to locate the appropriate information, none of it is in the same place. That's the Federal Govt. for you... making it so confusing that you just don't want to bother trying to make sense of it all.
Come to think of it, as far as my 'up to 10 year max' statement on warrantied items, i actually may inadvertently be thinking of the regulations on safety recalls as stated by the NHTSA, which says that defective parts must be replaced at no charge for up to 10 years, which would obviously mean that the product must be readily available for at least 10 years. I've never been able to find the actual federal bills on recalled items, so i'm afraid the FAQ is the best i can do.
http://www.safercar.gov/pages/ODIFAQsRev2.htm
... lemon laws, warranty laws, safety recalls, etc.... even though they're all pretty much the same thing, when trying to locate the appropriate information, none of it is in the same place.
That's the Federal Govt. for you... making it so confusing that you just don't want to bother trying to make sense of it all. 
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This is another total Cluster F.Now that they are mandated by Federal Law you would think there would be a extended warranty as there is on emissions related equipment.
Obviously 15 yo parts wear out so I am not bitching about my C4, those still work great.
I'm referring to the 2006 Monte Carlo in my garage. I have 64,000 miles on it and have had to replace 2 sensors so far at a cost of $165 - 200 a pop.
The service manager told me the batteries wear out and cannot be replaced, they just sell you another sensor and charge you labor to install it.
Who was the fing genius that thought this is a good design and acceptable execution. Without externally being powered this is a stupid idea.
Just my $0.02
Drifting
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This is another total Cluster F.Now that they are mandated by Federal Law you would think there would be a extended warranty as there is on emissions related equipment.
Obviously 15 yo parts wear out so I am not bitching about my C4, those still work great.
I'm referring to the 2006 Monte Carlo in my garage. I have 64,000 miles on it and have had to replace 2 sensors so far at a cost of $165 - 200 a pop.
The service manager told me the batteries wear out and cannot be replaced, they just sell you another sensor and charge you labor to install it.
Who was the fing genius that thought this is a good design and acceptable execution. Without externally being powered this is a stupid idea.
Just my $0.02
Stupid idea. When I buy my next car that has them I'm going to just pull the DIC bulb. The heck with paying good money replacing these things every couple of years. This is something that can be solved with a $3.00 tire guage.
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Of course, it also ultimately depends on if the item in question is covered under the vehicle warranty.
http://www.chevrolet.com/warranty/terms/#terms
at the chevy website, the current warranty terms are:
Originally Posted by Chevrolet
3-YEAR/36,000-MILE NEW VEHICLE LIMITED WARRANTY
GM vehicles registered in the U.S.A. receive New Vehicle Limited Warranties that include the following:
* Complete vehicle coverage:
* 3 years/36,000 miles (whichever comes first).
* Tires (covered for defects in materials and workmanship; not for normal wear and tear or road hazards).
* Towing to your nearest Chevrolet dealership."
# Rust-through corrosion protection:
* 6 years/100,000 miles (whichever comes first).
# Powertrain coverage:
* Fully transferable 5 years/100,000 miles (whichever comes first). See dealer for details.
GM vehicles registered in the U.S.A. receive New Vehicle Limited Warranties that include the following:
* Complete vehicle coverage:
* 3 years/36,000 miles (whichever comes first).
* Tires (covered for defects in materials and workmanship; not for normal wear and tear or road hazards).
* Towing to your nearest Chevrolet dealership."
# Rust-through corrosion protection:
* 6 years/100,000 miles (whichever comes first).
# Powertrain coverage:
* Fully transferable 5 years/100,000 miles (whichever comes first). See dealer for details.
What exactly does GM mean by "Complete Vehicle Coverage" under their basic limited warranty? I have no idea, but to me "complete" means everything. However, I recommend that see your dealer for details.
