A while back someone made a post about converting a Corvette to run on water. I've seen several video's on U-Tube where people have made systems that worked. It can be done I guess. It's a fact that gas prices are going to remain high....

On the news tonight they showed a small pickup that the owner had converted to electric power. It had a top speed of 65mph. Here are a few links to a few of the electric powered vehicle sites if anyone is interested. I was impressed after some reading. A manual transmission vehicle must be used. You shift gears as normal and yet have a gas peddle to speed up and slow down in each gear. Anyone want to "donate" an old tired C4 to a worthy cause? I'm not going to pull the engine on my '95 just yet.

http://electroauto.com/index.html

 

I don't know if you looked at the pricing of these conversions, but their VW conversion kit is $10K. You can buy a hell of a lot of gas for that.

By my estimate, if you paid $5 a gal for gas and got 20 mpg, you could drive 40K miles for $10K.

It doesn't somehow seem worth the trouble to convert. I guess Ahab the Arab will have his hands on my nuts a little longer.

 

Running cars on water is a scam perpetrated on people that have no understanding of basic high school physics. It takes more electrical energy to disassociate water into hydrogen and oxygen than you get from burning hydrogen and oxygen in an internal combustion engine. Furthermore, you cannot simply supply a conventional automobile IC engine with hydrogen and get it to run!
Electric cars are possible and available, but they are very expensive and have limited top speed, acceleration, and range. You will also notice that your home electric bill is going to be very high!
P.S. Good luck with your conversion!

 

Not to mention that the batteries fail every 5-6 years and costs thousands to replace.

The HH2 systems do work but the conversion process of electricity to hh2 is 1.8%. Then production is so low, about 1 liter per minute on 20 amps, that when it is injected into the engine it makes up a very small portion of the fuel/air mix. What it does do though is clean up emissions left over from the gas mixture and burns them completely away. That gives you about one quarter of one percent more energy from the gas that gets burned.

 

No wonder the world is where it's at with people who just dismiss things like this.And that includes our resident physics guru jfb on the above post.I'm in the process of building a unit for my RV as 7/8mpg is not cracking it. It's a seven cell series unit that measures 6"x14"x10" .When controlled by a PWM(pulse width modulator) it's producing about 5lpm with a draw of 15amps.What most of the sites like runyourcaronwater and the rest don't tell you is what really happens.Perhaps because they don't understand it.When you introduce HHO gas into the cylinder it increases the O2 output into the exhaust.This is even more so if you run a water injection system as I am.The O2 sensor reads this as a lean condition and the ECM enriches the fuel delivery to compensate and bang go any savings.There is a device available called an EFIE which plugs into the sensor and you just dial in the voltage output to obtain optimum AFR.Incidentally for $74 you could fit this to a vette and dial in optimum AFR as a tuning aid. My unit isn't installed as yet,just bench run so we will see.Also to anyone else thinking of doing this,make sure you also fit an exhaust gas temp probe and display.It's easy to lean things out too much and you can do some serious damage.
For the non-convinced;hows about a unit dimensionally slightly larger than mine but with a 110 plate configuration producing 100LPM! It's using a toroid coil supplying 10,000 volts on a pulsed circuit but still from a 12V battery.It's out there and it's running as we speak so please don't tell me it can't be done.I think this is one area we can kick high school physics out the window.
Now I'll get off the soapbox,but please explain how a HHO flame won't burn your hand but melts firebrick and tungsten? If anyone is interested check out http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt10.html .Perhaps it will change your mind.

 

Soory, but these things don't work. There is no free energy. You can throw physics out the window if you want, but if you do a serious, scientific double blind test (not that easy to do without a climate controlled dyno) you will find that they do not work. The free-energy web site is a scam, plain and simple.

 

I am in the process of converting a 1970 vw to electric. It will cost about $4600. The batteries are good for 500 to 600 charges. Electricity will cost about 2 cents a mile. If I charge it at work, it will cost me 1 cent a mile. It will probably be the only car I own that won't leak oil. I hope it will eventually pay for itself.

 

Pedalings free

 

Water is more valuable to us to keep us alive then gas is to get to work.

If we could drive with water ,how long will it be before we start having wars over that.

We cannot live without water, we can find an alternative to gas.

 

Electric wouldn't be as much fun as something like this....

http://www.hossflyinc.com/pics.html

 

Water does not disappear with use.

The by product of burning hydrogen is water. Even if it evaporated into the atmosphere it would still revert back to water.

Unlike petroleum which MAY be finite. Water vapor 'recyles' itself back to the atmosphere and renews lakes, streams and oceans through rain.

 

HHO seems like an interesting concept, I was drawn into it when I first caught a glimpse of it. I do agree that all the "kits" and videos on the web are too good to be true and there has to be something they're not telling you. If it were that simple and effective, I would think that someone would of mass produced a kit for the public and made a fortune by now. What I wonder is this, with some more research and refinement, could this be a serious power alternative for the future?

 

As I said,what the scammers don't tell you is if you have a vehicle with a computer you have to manipulate the O2 or AFR sensors to see any gains.It would seem that the HHO gas acts as a catalyst to improve the fuel burn and any savings are from this and not directly from burning the HHO.At the same time you are adding more oxygen which is what fools the sensors into thinking there's a lean condition.The simplest set up are on diesels which have no sensors.
Don't get me wrong,this is not,nor ever will be an alternative source of power but it seems,done correctly,that some gains can be achieved.Unlike some,I have a completely open mind on this.For the sake of a few hundred bucks I'm going to find out for myself if it's feasible or not.I have a 4,000 mile trip coming up so will be able to do some real comparative testing.i'll keep you all informed.
Incidentally,it doesn't have to work to make people rich.Ozzie Freedom is making a packet and his doesn't work.Just like Turbonators,air foils,fuel magnets,ionizers et al. There's a sucker born every minute.

 

Sorry, once you burn the hydrogen it is "used up" (actually it is converted to heat and light, but it is no longer usable). The water vapor that is a by product of burning hydrogen is only a tiny amount of the water consumed. Oh, and both petroleum and water are indeed finite.

 

I'll be interested in hearing your results, but a 4000 mile trip is not a good venue for comparitive testing. The parts you drive with the system off will not be the same as the parts with the system on. There will be differences in hills, speed, traffic, tempurature, etc. Also, since you will know if the system is on or off you may subconsciously drive differently when the system is in one state versus the other. That is not an insult, it is just human nature.

 

Not entirely true.

"One pound of hydrogen when combined with oxygen will make nine pounds of water. Therefore a hydrogen power plant could make valuable quantities of high quality water in addition to producing electricity."

http://www.americanhydrogenassociation.org/ahaknow.html

 

I'm not sure what this has to do with burning Hydrogen in an IC engine. Actually I'm not even sure what this says. How would the hydrogen power plant produce power? By combining hydrogen with oxygen?

 

It's been done.