gabezC4

Feds aren't the problem. Yes, they have to play are role in the restructuring, but that’s because of the poor decisions all the boys at GM have been making for 30+ years. It’s now caught up and the industry is up sh*t creek. The Feds are just a moderator; they won't be making government cars with a GM logo on it.

UAW are the #1 reason why GM is in the position they are in. $50-$100 an hour to tighten a bolt on an assembly line is a f'ing joke, not to mention all the benefits and retirement pension money UAW's get for the rest of their life. Yeah that’s great that they got all those benefits and overpaid jobs for so long, but the stupidity has hit the wall and there's two options:

Let GM die and let all the other car buyers now buy a Ford or Chrysler and save us tax payers and country billions of dollars.

or

Help GM restructure their *** backwards company with just Chevy, Cadillac and Buick while helping the economy by retaining all those jobs and having people consume to stimulate the economy.

Either way, things have been run improperly for too long and it’s caught up. It’s almost too late, but with good business people in place, hopefully the industry will survive and do well again.

Remember, our country is so in bed with the petroleum industry (75 % Arabs), that gas run cars with high fuel efficiency ratings will be around for a long time, as in decades. Battery run cars have 1% the funding that the petroleum industry gives for higher efficient gas run cars. Don't worry about all electric cars any time soon people.

VinceC4

I appreciate your honesty and insight..the unions killed GM...now they own a huge chunk of it..gimme a break Obama..go find a real job and work your *** off like the rest of us..Hummer is going to China in a deal..whats' next Vettes get built in Thailand?...I am going to look at Fords..at least smart management kept them solvent

guno89

I for one will NEVER buy a GM car because of this crap. The only exception I make is if I buy another corvette. I will buy a Ford. I am going to look for a truck soon It will be an F150 i won't even step foot in a GM dealership. its unbelivable the $$$$$ we have spent to keep them afloat. My tax dollars might help them survive but the $$ i keep form my paycheck sure as hell wont.

steven mack

You guys got it all wrong.The unions have already given up many of their perks and pay.They are now on par with the Toyota and Nissan workers who build cars in the U.S.And these are non union workers. You also are forgetting about $140 a barrel oil just a year ago.There is only so much oil out there.You probably don't remember the oil embargo of the 70's I do.If you like being beholding to foreign suppliers fine.I think they should make cars that get 70 miles per gallon ,make it so everyone can buy one.Then mandate everyone drives them during the week.Then you can drive a Semi on the weekend if you want.If you don't think a 70 mile per gallon car would be fun to drive,you haven't driven a Volkswagen turbo diesel Jetta .It gets 56 plus miles per gallon and is a very fast and fun car.Think outside the box.

ps374

Remember ( most of you cant because you were not born yet) when the Ford logo was king. I think we are about to take a trip in the past. Of course Ford will have to share the limelight with Toyota and Nissan.

M.J.L.

Gary96

Motsiv2

I really don't know where people get this $100.00 an hour stuff. I put 33 years in GM and had to work my *** off, and I never saw that rate of py. I must have worked at the wrong plant. I just believe that GM was so big that they couldn't control it. It took forever to make changes. Just like the Chevy Volt....it takes forever for a new product to hit the public. I only hope they get it right this time. It will be a new board, so I guess we have to wait.

53 Blue Flame

Steven Mack QUOTE
I think they should make cars that get 70 miles per gallon ,make it so everyone can buy one.Then mandate everyone drives them during the week.Then you can drive a Semi on the weekend if you want.If you don't think a 70 mile per gallon car would be fun to drive,you haven't driven a Volkswagen turbo diesel Jetta .It gets 56 plus miles per gallon and is a very fast and fun car.Think outside the box.[/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right? you want the Gov to mandate what are choices are. Too many soldiers died for our country for our rights. I, for one, appreciate that fact.

If you really feel that we should lose our rights, you need to pack it up and go to Russia.

pkazsr

When GM designed the 84 Vette they were looking at competing against European sport cars. OOPS they succeeded and built a car that got great gas mileage also. Now you can buy a GM or Ford truck that gets respectable mileage with more HP and torque. Put a powerful engine in a properly sized vehicle and see what happens.
Even my Cavalier (2.4 DOHC) will get 34-5 mpg and I don't have to worry about replacing batteries every 2 years or so and what that will do to the environment.
When I see a 120# soccer Mom driving around in a 4000+# suv by herself it makes me cringe. The guys I work with buy full size pick-ups to get back and forth to work. Both are examples of driving around in inefficient vehicles. And they think my Vette was a waste of money.

Gary96

I don't think the comments here are "all wrong". I know that the UAW workers have given up a lot recently, but only to try to save their jobs. The problem is what the Union members have been getting up to this point. The “legacy” cost alone for the retired UAW workers has been taking a lot of the profits from the Big 3 US automakers for years now. I can’t believe the benefits that the retired UAW workers have been receiving for all of these years.


I guess that GM hasn’t learned its lesson yet. You would think that they would want to have great customer service now but I guess they still don’t care. I was talking to a guy today who ordered a new Camaro SS on the first day that he could order one. He has been patiently trying to get information about when his car would be ready. Every time he would call to check on the car, they would say that they didn’t know when the car would be ready. Finally, I guess the dealer called GM and had them on a three-way call with the man buying the new Camaro but GM didn’t know this. When the dealer told GM that they had a customer who would like to know when his car would be done, the GM rep said they should tell the customer to relax, chill out and not worry about when his car would be done. After hearing this, the guy cancelled his order for a $40,000+ car. If this is the attitude the GM is going to have, they won’t be around for very long.

kylebuck89

who are you and what are u doing in C4 genral

kylebuck89

If i want my c4 to have a big stupid lopeing cam then thats my right.
This country is going to socialism quick and in a hurry.

Gary96

I know that the $100 an hour isn't very realistic, $30- $50 an hour is probably closer, but I'm sure you did ok. I just don't think UAW workers are making $10 an hour.

I agree with you about GM being so big. When a company is that big, it's hard to make changes quick enough. I too hope GM comes out of this bankruptcy a stronger company. I love my Vette and look forward to buying a newer model in the future. My current and last DD were also Chevys.

steven mack

You don't think the government doesn't mandate what you drive? what planet are you from.They mandate everything about a car and everything else.You think your free just try and not pay your taxes and see how free you are.They print the money and they take it .And there's nothing you can do about it.And don't forget to buckle up.

samsonb

I would be happy getting half of what the UAW get.

I think Nissan tops out at around $27 an hour. I know the UAW make around $50 an hour as an hourly employee topped out. Some make closer to $75 an hour. All they do is the same thing an employee at a Tier 1 supplier does, except the Tier 1 employees only make around $10-$12 an hour with no other benefits except maybe health insurance. Alot of those Tier 1 suppliers use a temporary employment agency, so someone may be working at a Tier 1 supplier through a temp agency for years only making $7 an hour with no health insurance.

53 Blue Flame

Apples and oranges. But....if you move to Alaska, you can see Russia from your front yard.

jeffp1167

let the uaw rest in peace ... I wanna see them live there cadillac dreams on peanut butter wages like what 30% of this country. hell with those over payed uaw workers.

89er

If you check a follow up on my post you'll see that some one else agreed with my post. Maybe they don't belong on C4 general either, or maybe you don't.

81c3

I agree with you to an extent. Yes the fed does have mandates on everything. But, the difference here is now they OWN the auto company. I dont think anyone wants to be told what to do, like what kind of car to drive, how big it should be, and for how many miles we can drive it. That would be know as a socialistic government, and yes, its headed that way.

And to answer your question about freedom, yes, we are still a free country. I know theres a ton of people out there who begrudge the USA for that and blame it for all the worlds problems, our new leader is one of them, along with all his cronies. As suggested, move to Russia or China for a year, then come back here and let us know if you still think not free. When you do come back, thank a soldier.

And as far as a Jetta... my wife and I bought one in 06 (TDI), 5 speed and it did get 43 mpg. She had an 80 mile per day round trip. She then got a job 5 miles from home. We traded that tin can POS as fast as we could. It was NOT fun to drive, it was only a tool for getting to work.