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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lt1396corvette
Wow thats alot of oil changes
I don't mind changing it that frequently

Originally Posted by JERGENSENLS3
Please tell me you are not serious.

Mobil 1 does not have to be changed at 3K or 3 months
Sorry but I am very serious. 3000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first.



Originally Posted by Red-Lt1
That is a waste of money.

Cheaper than buying a new motor....My friends motor spun a bearing from lack of oil changes so I would rather over do mine than under do it.

I changed my oil two weekends ago and have hardly put 30 miles on it since.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by vetteman42

Your opinions please, is it really necessary to change oil and filter every 6 months if I'm driving only about 3K per year??? Wouldn't once a year be okay? BTW....it's a '91 and I use premium regular oil 5w/30w.
I used to change it twice a year until I figure out that the oil I was taking out looked as fresh as the oil I was putting in! I switched to once a year. Only difference is that I drive all year round. If I was going to store it for the winter I would change it before I stored it.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ~Oakley~
I don't mind changing it that frequently



Sorry but I am very serious. 3000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first.






Cheaper than buying a new motor....My friends motor spun a bearing from lack of oil changes so I would rather over do mine than under do it.

I changed my oil two weekends ago and have hardly put 30 miles on it since.
Thats good you do that many oil changes.But the first thing that came to my head was wow, that cost alot of money.

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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ~Oakley~
I don't mind changing it that frequently



Sorry but I am very serious. 3000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first.






Cheaper than buying a new motor....My friends motor spun a bearing from lack of oil changes so I would rather over do mine than under do it.

I changed my oil two weekends ago and have hardly put 30 miles on it since.
I have 250k+ on a 95 Volvo 850 T5r and I never change mine before 5k miles and the vette is just about to hit 180k miles and the same with it.
If your friend spun a bearing because of infrequent oil changes, he was abusing the tar out of it.
3K or 3mths is a myth started by lube places to drum up business.
I have NEVER seen a manufacture state that in any form and I think they know what is best.
Heck my friends 93 Carrera says every 4k miles and that beast takes 11 quarts.
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Originally Posted by surfer92
I have 250k+ on a 95 Volvo 850 T5r and I never change mine before 5k miles and the vette is just about to hit 180k miles and the same with it.
If your friend spun a bearing because of infrequent oil changes, he was abusing the tar out of it.
3K or 3mths is a myth started by lube places to drum up business.
I have NEVER seen a manufacture state that in any form and I think they know what is best.
Heck my friends 93 Carrera says every 4k miles and that beast takes 11 quarts.
11 quarts?!?!?!?! GOOD GOD. That is amazing. How does it hold so much? Wow, he must be loaded to afford 11 qts per oil change. I doubt that Carerra sees anything less than the best synthetic oil.
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every 5k to 7k miles mobil 1
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vetteman42
Many thanks for the replies.....I should have mentioned in my original post that I do NOT store and DO drive the vette at least once or twice a month during the winter months when roads are clear.

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Two stories;

1. I change the oil and filters every spring, when I get my '85 vette and '79 Honda (wife's) out of storage. Drive ~1k miles a year on the '85, 2k on the '79.

2. My father in law has been an avid "change the oil every 3k miles or 3 months, whichever comes first. He's got a Northstar 32v V8 Caddy, a Saturn, and a Hyundai. That all came to an end (finally) this past summer, when the Saturn Dealer blew his engine (34k orig. miles on an '02) after they drained the oil and forgot to refill it. $4.5k bill for a reman. engine, with the dealer eating $3,900.00.

He's come to the conclusion now where he only needs to change it at 3-5k miles, not by the date, unless it goes beyond a year. Also depends on the type of driving.

The Caddy is all Mobil 1 Synth. (done at the dealer also), and I'm sure the intervals are more than 3k/3months. But he just had that figure embedded deep in his brain.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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Here is some good information:
http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm

Follow the Money
Unfortunately, there are market forces that have a vested interest in convincing vehicle owners to change their oil more often than necessary. The legal prey of these market forces have become convinced that they are purchasing "cheap insurance" or "peace of mind" by changing their oil more often than necessary. Complicating things is the fact that doing oil changes is one of the few do-it-yourself maintenance tasks that is still within the ability of the backyard mechanic to perform.

Recreational Oil Changing
The term "recreational oil changer" was coined to define people that change their oil far more than necessary because they actually enjoy doing it. It's easy to understand the psychology behind the recreational oil changing. It's the visceral feel of the tools, the victory when that old oil filter breaks free, the hot dirty oil pouring out, the joy of oiling of the gasket on the new filter, that new copper or fiber gasket on the drain plug, the clean clear oil going in, and the sense of accomplishment when you start the car, the oil light comes on for a moment, then goes out. For $8-10 in oil and parts, it's pretty cheap entertainment, but if people would be content to do it only when it provides some benefit to the vehicle it would be better.

The 3000 Mile Myth
The 3000 mile oil change interval has been pounded into people's heads for decades. It had a scientific basis when engines used non-multi-weight, non-detergent oil. It no longer has any scientific basis, but it is still being promoted by certain entities, most notably the oil change industry in the United States. This myth is also sometimes known as the "Cheap Insurance Myth."

The 3000 Mile Fact
There are still vehicles that need 3K oil changes, but it's not because the oil goes bad after 3K miles. One example is the Saturn S series. These vehicles have a timing chain system that is very sensitive to clean oil because oil pressure is used as hydraulic fluid to ratchet up the timing chain tensioner. If varnish forms in the timing chain tensioner bore then this system can fail and the chain will become loose and eventually break. Dealers have gone as far as tearing out the normal service schedule (6000 miles) and leaving only the severe service schedule. If your engine is destroyed (under warranty) by a failed timing chain then the dealer will legitimately request evidence of oil changes. Unfortunately this problem usually won't manifest itself during the warranty period.
and finally:
Summary

1. Don't fall for the 3000 mile myth or the dark oil myth

2. Follow the manufacturer's recommended change interval for severe service or have an oil analysis performed to see if you can use the normal service interval

3. If you do the oil changes yourself then buy the oil and filters near the date of the oil change and keep a maintenance log with receipts

4. Use an API certified 5W30 or 10W30 oil (whatever your manual says is preferred) and watch out for oil change places that force 10W30 on you

5. Don't use oil additives

6. If you really want to know the optimum time to change your oil than have oil analyses performed

7. Use the manufacturer filter or a quality after-market filter (don't go by brand name recognition!)

8. Synthetic oil is a good choice if you have a high performance engine or if you live in an extremely cold climate, otherwise it provides no benefit (but no harm either).

9. Avoid engine flushes

10. Check your oil

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I do the M1 10w-30 + 3401 Bosch filter about 5k miles, more or less, but before the 7k mark. I always make sure to get the last oil change out soon after the car hibernates for the winter. I don't care if it's not 5k since the last change. I store in an unheated garage so I feel new oil is a must, JMHO.

If I feel that I have done too much corner work, then I'll do a change just to put my mind at ease. Probably not needed at all. It makes me feel better after watching the oil temp gauge stay up at 270* for a while.

The one thing I'll never do is take my car out and not figure a way to get all of it's stuff up to proper operating temp & keep it there for a while before I shut it off. I think that is as important as good oil change procedures. JMHO.
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Originally Posted by tomtom72
I do the M1 10w-30 + 3401 Bosch filter about 5k miles, more or less, but before the 7k mark. I always make sure to get the last oil change out soon after the car hibernates for the winter. I don't care if it's not 5k since the last change. I store in an unheated garage so I feel new oil is a must, JMHO.

If I feel that I have done too much corner work, then I'll do a change just to put my mind at ease. Probably not needed at all. It makes me feel better after watching the oil temp gauge stay up at 270* for a while.

The one thing I'll never do is take my car out and not figure a way to get all of it's stuff up to proper operating temp & keep it there for a while before I shut it off. I think that is as important as good oil change procedures. JMHO.
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Originally Posted by Joe C
what you're doing is okay, the only thing is not to store your car with "dirty" oil. change the oil in the fall before you store it. used motor oil is slightly acidic, has all kinds of "crap" in it, and probably not as good for bearing and internal surfaces as fresh motor oil. i always change the oil before i store the cars...
Thats what I have been doing for several years now i.e. changing the oil in the fall before I store it. I use Mobil 1 and I only put 2000 - 3000 miles a year
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