Just an alert
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Drifting
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Just an alert
I ran across this article on the Jeep Forum.com and thought I'd share. How many times do we take cleaning products for granted? 
I'm guilty as hell and after reading this I'm watching my ****.
http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
Mike
I'm guilty as hell and after reading this I'm watching my ****.http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
Mike
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I found the orange-based hand cleaner to be a excellent product to degrease just about anything, and it's usually very safe stuff. Obviously don't use the stuff with pumice on anything shiny.
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If I recall correctly, Phosgene Gas was used in WWI as a poison gas. Brake cleaner is dangerous by itself. I stopped using it about 15 years ago.
A gunsmith I know told me about someone he knew that used it in his business in very large amounts. He did not have a lot of ventilation. The guy was in his forties and keeled over dead. They thought there was some foul play so they did an autopsy. He had the insides of a 60-70 year old and they determined that the brake cleaner was the culprit.
If he had used adequate ventilation, they said he would have been alright. But, I thought, why take a chance. Electrical cleaner does about the same job and causes less of a problem. Over 10 years ago I switched to M-Pro 7, which is non-toxic and biodegradable.
A gunsmith I know told me about someone he knew that used it in his business in very large amounts. He did not have a lot of ventilation. The guy was in his forties and keeled over dead. They thought there was some foul play so they did an autopsy. He had the insides of a 60-70 year old and they determined that the brake cleaner was the culprit.
If he had used adequate ventilation, they said he would have been alright. But, I thought, why take a chance. Electrical cleaner does about the same job and causes less of a problem. Over 10 years ago I switched to M-Pro 7, which is non-toxic and biodegradable.
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From the pic at the top of the page, it looks like "brew dude" was inhaling more than brake cleaner. If he felt that bad for nine days before seeking medical help, he is a true dumb azz. Most folks know ( or should ) that when using strong chemicals, you should have plenty of ventilation. Hell, mixing common household products can make a vapor that can kill you dead. A good example is mixing ordinary clorox bleach with ammonia as a cleaning agent. Depending on the amount of bleach to ammonia, you can come up ( unintentionaly ) with one of three deadly concoctions. The first is chlorine gas (used by the Germans in WW1 & WW2). The second is Hydrazine, which is a component of rocket fuel. Oh yeah! its explosive. The last item you can accidently mix up is Nitrogen trichloride which is very toxic to humans, & is also a very volatile explosive. As I stated you get one of these three products just by mixing more ammonia to bleach, or more bleach to ammonia. The point here is--- read the warning labels on the stuff that you are using, & if you feel ill as or after you have used chemicals, get medical attention. The old saying is still true- "The life you save may be your own"
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Drifting
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Thirty plus years ago I used to use tetraethylchloride as a solvent and prep cleaner - I was bummed when it became difficult to get (of course now I know that it is not a nice chemical).
I can admit to some handling/application mistakes with various chemicals and cleaning agents. One time I got choked up on mixed cleaning solvent incompatabilities and it killed my sense of smell for a long time. I did eventually get most, but not all, of my sense of smell back After that I switched to very mild cleaners and don't mix chemicals.
Gotta read the labels - don't mess with stuff unless you really know what it is.
Thomas
I can admit to some handling/application mistakes with various chemicals and cleaning agents. One time I got choked up on mixed cleaning solvent incompatabilities and it killed my sense of smell for a long time. I did eventually get most, but not all, of my sense of smell back After that I switched to very mild cleaners and don't mix chemicals.
Gotta read the labels - don't mess with stuff unless you really know what it is.
Thomas
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Before we start bashing "Brew Dude" for not getting help sooner, how many of you guys go to the doctor? Let's be thankful he lived to tell the story, and thanks to 78Pacer for findng and sharing it. I'd also venture a guess that all the chemicals made to make our lives "easier" are doing harm to our physical being and those around us, including future generations. But that's an "off-topic" in itself!
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Drifting
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Thanks MaryAnn. Your observation is spot-on. Those of us that are a bit older(but don't want to admit it)..*s have been using serious cleaning agents in and around our garages and homes for years with little regard for the possible side affects. Hell, if it's sold over the counter, how dangerous can it be? That's been my mindset over the years. Obviously very flawed. The article was an eye opener for me.
Mike
Mike
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I ran across this article on the Jeep Forum.com and thought I'd share. How many times do we take cleaning products for granted? I'm guilty as hell and after reading this I'm watching my ****.
http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
Mike
I'm guilty as hell and after reading this I'm watching my ****.http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
Mike
I'm a lifer over on JF. Havent been there in a while but I love that site. I am picking up a black 96 this evening. My first vette.
thanks for the heads up.
www.cardomain.com/id/jnealg
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Thanks MaryAnn. Your observation is spot-on. Those of us that are a bit older(but don't want to admit it)..*s have been using serious cleaning agents in and around our garages and homes for years with little regard for the possible side affects. Hell, if it's sold over the counter, how dangerous can it be? That's been my mindset over the years. Obviously very flawed. The article was an eye opener for me.
Mike
Mike
