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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 03:42 AM
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Hi there, I was wondering if switching to silicone brake fluid in my 1994 C4 would be a good idea? What are the pros and cons?
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Nope not a good idea, silicon brake fluid isn't compatable with ABS systems and you will end up with a very spongy pedal, I would recommend a DOT 4 or DOT 5.1 fluid, rather than silicon which is a DOT 5
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Nope not a good idea, silicon brake fluid isn't compatable with ABS systems and you will end up with a very spongy pedal, I would recommend a DOT 4 or DOT 5.1 fluid, rather than silicon which is a DOT 5
Don't use DOT5 silicon fluids. This type of fluid will cause cavitation in the ABS pump and that will create air pockets.

For general street driving a good DOT3 fluid is all you need. Castrol LMA or Valvoline will work fine. Look for a Wet Boiling Point of around 310 or so.

DOT4 and higher fluids work fine if you driver the car hard so that the brakes get a real workout (fast autocross courses, track days, etc). These fluids should be flushed at fairly regular intervals like once or twice a year.
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Don't use DOT5 silicon fluids. This type of fluid will cause cavitation in the ABS pump and that will create air pockets.

For general street driving a good DOT3 fluid is all you need. Castrol LMA or Valvoline will work fine. Look for a Wet Boiling Point of around 310 or so.

DOT4 and higher fluids work fine if you driver the car hard so that the brakes get a real workout (fast autocross courses, track days, etc). These fluids should be flushed at fairly regular intervals like once or twice a year.
+ always use brake fluid from a sealed container. Don`t use stuff thats been opened & sitting on a shelf for a year. It absorbs water. At least thats what I`ve been told.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Ditto-Ditto-Ditto
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silicone brake fluid has a nasty habit...it's technically called 'off-gassing'...liquid turns to vapor spontaneously and vapor = gas, and gases are ,as you probly know, compressible...ultimate effect is the same as a copious amount of air in your brake system.

off-gassing is particularly a surprise due to change in elevation, drivers descending long hills in vehicles using silicon fluid have reported 'no brakes, pedal went to the floor'....
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I use valvoline dot 4 synthetic
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Originally Posted by rjohnson67
Hi there, I was wondering if switching to silicone brake fluid in my 1994 C4 would be a good idea? What are the pros and cons?
I switch to Prestone Synthetic brake fluid which carries a dot 3 rating but is superior to a standard dot 3 brake fluid and it won't mess with your ABS system. Wallymart has it for a very reasonable price!
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Synth resists moisture. Enough Said.
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Okay, thanks guys
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Originally Posted by Seattle C4
Synth resists moisture. Enough Said.
They are all synthetic.
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Originally Posted by joshwilson3
They are all synthetic.
Thats a new one to me, I never knew they had synthetic brake fluid. Learn something new every day.
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Originally Posted by joshwilson3
They are all synthetic.
Ok, if we are picking Fly feces out of the Pepper.

Dot 3, 4 & 5.1 are Organic compounds [ synthesized ]

Dot 5 is non organic compound [synthetic]

Dot 5 also sucks as a brake fluid unless your driving a military truck.

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Castrol LMA is now GT LMA and meets DOT3 and DOT4.
Wet boiling point 329F. Sounds like good stuff.
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
Don't use DOT5 silicon fluids. This type of fluid will cause cavitation in the ABS pump and that will create air pockets.

For general street driving a good DOT3 fluid is all you need. Castrol LMA or Valvoline will work fine. Look for a Wet Boiling Point of around 310 or so.

DOT4 and higher fluids work fine if you driver the car hard so that the brakes get a real workout (fast autocross courses, track days, etc). These fluids should be flushed at fairly regular intervals like once or twice a year.
I have a 1990 with really bad brakes spongy/tries to go to the floor .. no leaks, no brake light comes on, on the dash, car is very hard to stop ... I'm wondering if previous owner put some in this car. You can pump them up but then the pedal falls to the floor again.
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
I have a 1990 with really bad brakes spongy/tries to go to the floor .. no leaks, no brake light comes on, on the dash, car is very hard to stop ... I'm wondering if previous owner put some in this car. You can pump them up but then the pedal falls to the floor again.

That sounds like a bad master cylinder to me or the brakes just need bleeding
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Originally Posted by jeffp1167
I have a 1990 with really bad brakes spongy/tries to go to the floor .. no leaks, no brake light comes on, on the dash, car is very hard to stop ... I'm wondering if previous owner put some in this car. You can pump them up but then the pedal falls to the floor again.
If giving it a good flush/bleed doesn't fix it. Then it sounds like a bad master if you have to pump the brakes and the pedal falls to the floor.
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silicon brake fluid is a wonderful fluid, takes high heat, doesn't absorb moisture, protects hydraulic seals, doesn't harm paint.

for any brake system without ABS (or clutch systems) its perfect.

It is NOT compatible with ABS (too thick, the ABS pistons don't function properly, or some such thing).
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How much fluid does it take to flush out an '87's brakes?


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Originally Posted by Chuck Tribolet
How much fluid does it take to flush out an '87's brakes?


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A quart should do. I usually get a quart for the flushing and get the small bottle to top off.
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