1984
Melting Slicks
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From: Monroe Twp, NJ
The 84 was one of the best handling Corvettes ever built, especially in the C4 cars. Yet do to complaints from owners Chevrolet had to sacriface that in 85 by softening up the suspension to make it more civilized. It was a pure track car in its Z51 stance and showed itself that way by out doing Porsche and a bunch of other cars on the skid pad. Thats what makes the 84 unique in its own little way. It is however a 15.5 second car in stock form and by todays standards in straight line performance in the Camary Altama family sedan field. Any attemps at stop light performance with mordern Mustangs or Imports will leave you humilated. The Crossfire system is very realible and can be repaired without being a super mechanic. The 84s also less comlicated then newer C4s which have ABS, Air Bags and a host of other goodies that can be expensive to repair when things go wrong. The stiff ride also is known to loosen up wires and cause some ground issues but as a whole its as good as any other C4 IMO. Its also old enough to fall into Classic car statis which in most states means no smog test issues.
Safety Car
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From: Madison Wi
Spoken like a real expert on the 1984...
The engine was just fine (used on the 1982 also), and gave the best performance for the then-current EPA restrictions GM had to work with. These engines continue to perform very well today. Basic throttle body injection.
The suspension earned the title of best handling production car for 1984. The stiff ride was the price to pay for that maneuverability. I happen to like it while others prefer a softer ride.
the OP was asking about price and 6k is pretty steep for ANY 26 year old car these days.
The engine was just fine (used on the 1982 also), and gave the best performance for the then-current EPA restrictions GM had to work with. These engines continue to perform very well today. Basic throttle body injection.
The suspension earned the title of best handling production car for 1984. The stiff ride was the price to pay for that maneuverability. I happen to like it while others prefer a softer ride.
the OP was asking about price and 6k is pretty steep for ANY 26 year old car these days.
My point is... The early C4 is a good car, but do yourself a favor and get the 86, 87 or 88... or newer. The extra cost will be marginal and you will get a vastly superior car. The L98 with aluminum heads and a rollercam was a respectable engine. The 84 crossfire injection engine was very inferior in comparison.
I'm not saying the 84, as a car, was junk. It was revolutionary! BUT, I AM saying that compared to the Vettes made just a few years later it was undersirable. If you can afford another grand or two get an 87 and you will have a much better car.
Last edited by TraceZ; Sep 11, 2010 at 10:59 AM.
Heel & Toe
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From: Atlanta Georgia
[QUOTE=TraceZ;1575291728]I was messing with early C4s back in the late 80s when I first got my drivers license. My uncle had an 84, 86, 87 and an 88 all at the same time. The 84 was junk compared to the newer ones. It rattled the teeth out of your skull and couldn't get out of its own way if it had to.My point is... The early C4 is a good car, but do yourself a favor and get the 86, 87 or 88... or newer. The extra cost will be marginal and you will get a vastly superior car. The L98 with aluminum heads and a rollercam was a respectable engine. The 84 crossfire injection engine was very inferior in comparison.
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pure BS
U CAN ALWAYS TELL WHO REALLY LOVES MUSTANGS
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From: lancaster kentucky
well i have an 86 pace car convertible and an 87 coupe both cars run exceptionally well and the 87 has stiffer suspension so rides a little rougher but thats what i want, gonna autocross it, the vert is a good riding smooth runnin and very fun with the top down kinda car. I would not hesitate to buy another if i ever had the chance to. we are thinking of selling the vert and put all the money into the 87 since it is the lower mileage coar with only 58000 on it. Good luck in your search and craigslist is a good place to start like others have said that is where both of mine came from...
brian
brian
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From: Madison Wi
What are you, 12 years old? Calling me a Mustang lover? Wow, that's mature.
My statements are not BS, they are 100% true. There was a carhauler that overturned on the Wisconsin interstate full of C4s in 1990. My uncle bought the entire load from the insurance company and began fixing them to sell them. I had the opportunity to check out many early year C4s and the L98 cars with the aluminum heads and rollercams were by FAR the most desirable. Nobody even wanted to look at the 84 because the throttle body injection was junk compared to the new tuned port injection. That TPI was so popular that for a decade guys swapped it into all sorts of muscle cars, even fords. TPI swaps were everywhere.
Ever see anyone swap a crossfire motor into a hotrod? Nope.
There was also a 1983 Hurst Olds on the car hauler. My dad bought it from my uncle and still owns it to this day.
My statements are not BS, they are 100% true. There was a carhauler that overturned on the Wisconsin interstate full of C4s in 1990. My uncle bought the entire load from the insurance company and began fixing them to sell them. I had the opportunity to check out many early year C4s and the L98 cars with the aluminum heads and rollercams were by FAR the most desirable. Nobody even wanted to look at the 84 because the throttle body injection was junk compared to the new tuned port injection. That TPI was so popular that for a decade guys swapped it into all sorts of muscle cars, even fords. TPI swaps were everywhere.
Ever see anyone swap a crossfire motor into a hotrod? Nope.
There was also a 1983 Hurst Olds on the car hauler. My dad bought it from my uncle and still owns it to this day.
Last edited by TraceZ; Sep 11, 2010 at 04:02 PM.
Le Mans Master
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From: Pendleton IN
I bought an 84 back in 1991. I really liked it and it was a nice car. In 1996, I bought a new CE. Couldn't believe it was the same "platform". The ride and handling was so much better. The car was a lot tighter as well.
As others have said, I'd keep looking and probably buy a newer C4. All have their +/-. Buy the best condition car you can find. As original with no paint work and good maintenance history as you can find.
As others have said, I'd keep looking and probably buy a newer C4. All have their +/-. Buy the best condition car you can find. As original with no paint work and good maintenance history as you can find.
Heel & Toe
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From: Atlanta Georgia
What are you, 12 years old? Calling me a Mustang lover? Wow, that's mature.
My statements are not BS, they are 100% true. There was a carhauler that overturned on the Wisconsin interstate full of C4s in 1990. My uncle bought the entire load from the insurance company and began fixing them to sell them. I had the opportunity to check out many early year C4s and the L98 cars with the aluminum heads and rollercams were by FAR the most desirable. Nobody even wanted to look at the 84 because the throttle body injection was junk compared to the new tuned port injection. That TPI was so popular that for a decade guys swapped it into all sorts of muscle cars, even fords. TPI swaps were everywhere.
Ever see anyone swap a crossfire motor into a hotrod? Nope.
There was also a 1983 Hurst Olds on the car hauler. My dad bought it from my uncle and still owns it to this day.
My statements are not BS, they are 100% true. There was a carhauler that overturned on the Wisconsin interstate full of C4s in 1990. My uncle bought the entire load from the insurance company and began fixing them to sell them. I had the opportunity to check out many early year C4s and the L98 cars with the aluminum heads and rollercams were by FAR the most desirable. Nobody even wanted to look at the 84 because the throttle body injection was junk compared to the new tuned port injection. That TPI was so popular that for a decade guys swapped it into all sorts of muscle cars, even fords. TPI swaps were everywhere.
Ever see anyone swap a crossfire motor into a hotrod? Nope.
There was also a 1983 Hurst Olds on the car hauler. My dad bought it from my uncle and still owns it to this day.
ive had the opportunity to own early/late ones (same time)
everybody knows the which ones are FAR more desirable
its always the guys that never ever quite had a 84
that say the kraziest things about them
WHY would some body get on a 1984 TREAD
and bash the crossfire
i wonder if the c3 crowd bashed the 82?
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Melting Slicks
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From: Monroe Twp, NJ
What are you, 12 years old? Calling me a Mustang lover? Wow, that's mature.
My statements are not BS, they are 100% true. There was a carhauler that overturned on the Wisconsin interstate full of C4s in 1990. My uncle bought the entire load from the insurance company and began fixing them to sell them. I had the opportunity to check out many early year C4s and the L98 cars with the aluminum heads and rollercams were by FAR the most desirable. Nobody even wanted to look at the 84 because the throttle body injection was junk compared to the new tuned port injection. That TPI was so popular that for a decade guys swapped it into all sorts of muscle cars, even fords. TPI swaps were everywhere.
Ever see anyone swap a crossfire motor into a hotrod? Nope.
There was also a 1983 Hurst Olds on the car hauler. My dad bought it from my uncle and still owns it to this day.
My statements are not BS, they are 100% true. There was a carhauler that overturned on the Wisconsin interstate full of C4s in 1990. My uncle bought the entire load from the insurance company and began fixing them to sell them. I had the opportunity to check out many early year C4s and the L98 cars with the aluminum heads and rollercams were by FAR the most desirable. Nobody even wanted to look at the 84 because the throttle body injection was junk compared to the new tuned port injection. That TPI was so popular that for a decade guys swapped it into all sorts of muscle cars, even fords. TPI swaps were everywhere.
Ever see anyone swap a crossfire motor into a hotrod? Nope.
There was also a 1983 Hurst Olds on the car hauler. My dad bought it from my uncle and still owns it to this day.
Last edited by ps374; Sep 11, 2010 at 06:03 PM. Reason: left out stuff
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From: Madison Wi
I would not say the CF is junk , but left stock its a whole second slower than the TPI motor., but on the auto cross a Z51 84 will make up for the 25 less horses in my book.If the Crossfire was junk the 82 Collectors edition would not be one of the most sought after C3s. And many CF cars are hot rods. With the introduction of the Xram manifold some 10 plus years ago and the current Renegade manifold a stroked CF will eat the TPI for lunch. And yes I drive a modified CF and when I purschased the car the previous owner who built it told me you will have no trouble beating TPI Corvettes.
So for fairness, I can stroke the TPI and install an Accell SuperRam manifold. Right?
There was no 83 Vette, that made the CF in the 84 a one year motor for the C4. The TPI SHOULD of been introduced in 84. It's my opinion Chevy screwed up by not giving the revolutionary C4 Corvette it's own revolutionary new fuel injection.
As a result nobody wants the 84s. That is reflected by the fact the 84 is the most affordably priced Corveete on the market.
For folks on a tight budget, that can be a good thing. As pointed out the CF can be modified to be more appealing.
I don't mean to sound like I'm hating on round taillight C4s. The round taillight C4 was the first Vette I fell in love with. The L98 was a solid power plant. The first Corvette I ever got a ride in was a blue 1984 with blue interior. I'm just not a fan of the crossfire. I love Camaros too, but I'd avoid buying a crossfire Z28 as well, and they made plenty of those.
If I had an 84 sitting out in the garage, I wouldnt sell it, I'd transplant an L98 or LT1 into it... with a ZF 6 speed.
Melting Slicks
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From: Monroe Twp, NJ
NO, just the 84 CF. Its the wipping boy to those who dont understand its still a Corvette and one of the best ever built after decades of work.We still cant figure out why the 82 CF gets a pass and why so many will shell out over 10 Grand to get one. Maybe the experts dont realize it got the same engine as the 84. Second thought lets keep that a secret between us 84 owners. It would be a shame to have the 82 beat up upon also.
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From: Bangkok, Thailand
To the OP, $6,500 sounds like too much, but if the car is super clean maybe it's worth that to you. 2 1/2 months ago I bought mine for $1900 and I've put about that much more into it fixing basic neglect issues by the previous owner.
As for all the 84 bashing by those who don't know any better..........
Let take a good look at the "vastly inferior" L-83 compared to the "it's SO great" L-98:
The L-83 has the worst cast-iron production heads ever - they flow ~155 CFM at .400 lift
An intake that reduces port size down to roughly 60% of a "normal" port by the time it gets to the flange
9:0 compression
A tiny "standard" hydraulic cam
Only 2 injectors with 2 small throttle blades (something like 1 3/4") that flow around 400 CFM.
Here is a shot of the intake ports in the manifold:
Now, the vaunted L-98:
Better heads that flow ~185 CFM at .400 lift
9.5:1 compression (supposedly 10:1 in 1991)
A hydraulic roller cam
Dual throttle blades that are almost 2" in diameter
Multi-point fuel injection - 8 injectors
I listed the flow at .400 lift because both stock cams are barely more than .400" lift, so that "matches" what they do stock.
The factory rating for the L-83 was 205 hp/290 ft/lbs of torque, and the L-98 was rated from 230/330 up to 245/345.
On top of all this (no pun intended) is the intake manifold difference. I don't want to cut and paste my whole dissertaion on the intakes, so click here to see that:
http://www.marcmedina.com/crossfire1.html
In the end, what the L-98 guys here are saying is that because of all the extra technology that the L-83 doesn't get to start, it makes (at most) 40 hp more than the L-83. OK, sure, I can live with that, HOWEVER.......
Think about this:
Even the "worst" aftermarket aluminum heads (the Edelbrock performers) will easily pick you up 20 hp over stock.
The L-83 will benefit more by adding a matching .5 point in compression.
Add that hydraulic roller into an L-83 and again you have a big gain in HP and TQ
Give the poor L-83 an intake that will at least flow enough to match those cruddy stock heads and pick up 1/2 a second or more in the 1/4 (actual results from those who have ported the stock intake), or get one of the new Renegades (for 1/3 the price of a complete, used Super Ram setup) and REALLY make some power.
The stock throttle bodies can be easily bored to 2" (52mm) to flow about 600 CFM.
You think all those other improvements won't net at least another 20 hp to "equal" the output of an L-98?
In the end you'll still have an engine that will REV - unlike the L-98's since they have those LONG runners that were designed for a 305.
Sure, in dead stock form the L-98 makes more power than the L-83 but for all the added tech it comes with, it should make a LOT more than it does.
To me, the bottom line is that a "corrected" Crossfire will run VERY well and continue to uphold the Corvette badge - and shock some L-98 guys in the process.
As for all the 84 bashing by those who don't know any better..........
Let take a good look at the "vastly inferior" L-83 compared to the "it's SO great" L-98:
The L-83 has the worst cast-iron production heads ever - they flow ~155 CFM at .400 lift
An intake that reduces port size down to roughly 60% of a "normal" port by the time it gets to the flange
9:0 compression
A tiny "standard" hydraulic cam
Only 2 injectors with 2 small throttle blades (something like 1 3/4") that flow around 400 CFM.
Here is a shot of the intake ports in the manifold:
Now, the vaunted L-98:
Better heads that flow ~185 CFM at .400 lift
9.5:1 compression (supposedly 10:1 in 1991)
A hydraulic roller cam
Dual throttle blades that are almost 2" in diameter
Multi-point fuel injection - 8 injectors
I listed the flow at .400 lift because both stock cams are barely more than .400" lift, so that "matches" what they do stock.
The factory rating for the L-83 was 205 hp/290 ft/lbs of torque, and the L-98 was rated from 230/330 up to 245/345.
On top of all this (no pun intended) is the intake manifold difference. I don't want to cut and paste my whole dissertaion on the intakes, so click here to see that:
http://www.marcmedina.com/crossfire1.html
In the end, what the L-98 guys here are saying is that because of all the extra technology that the L-83 doesn't get to start, it makes (at most) 40 hp more than the L-83. OK, sure, I can live with that, HOWEVER.......
Think about this:
Even the "worst" aftermarket aluminum heads (the Edelbrock performers) will easily pick you up 20 hp over stock.
The L-83 will benefit more by adding a matching .5 point in compression.
Add that hydraulic roller into an L-83 and again you have a big gain in HP and TQ
Give the poor L-83 an intake that will at least flow enough to match those cruddy stock heads and pick up 1/2 a second or more in the 1/4 (actual results from those who have ported the stock intake), or get one of the new Renegades (for 1/3 the price of a complete, used Super Ram setup) and REALLY make some power.
The stock throttle bodies can be easily bored to 2" (52mm) to flow about 600 CFM.
You think all those other improvements won't net at least another 20 hp to "equal" the output of an L-98?
In the end you'll still have an engine that will REV - unlike the L-98's since they have those LONG runners that were designed for a 305.
Sure, in dead stock form the L-98 makes more power than the L-83 but for all the added tech it comes with, it should make a LOT more than it does.
To me, the bottom line is that a "corrected" Crossfire will run VERY well and continue to uphold the Corvette badge - and shock some L-98 guys in the process.
Racer
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From: Spokane WA
A stroked CF with a aftermarket manifold will eat a TPI for lunch.
So for fairness, I can stroke the TPI and install an Accell SuperRam manifold. Right?
There was no 83 Vette, that made the CF in the 84 a one year motor for the C4. The TPI SHOULD of been introduced in 84. It's my opinion Chevy screwed up by not giving the revolutionary C4 Corvette it's own revolutionary new fuel injection.
As a result nobody wants the 84s. That is reflected by the fact the 84 is the most affordably priced Corveete on the market.
For folks on a tight budget, that can be a good thing. As pointed out the CF can be modified to be more appealing.
I don't mean to sound like I'm hating on round taillight C4s. The round taillight C4 was the first Vette I fell in love with. The L98 was a solid power plant. The first Corvette I ever got a ride in was a blue 1984 with blue interior. I'm just not a fan of the crossfire. I love Camaros too, but I'd avoid buying a crossfire Z28 as well, and they made plenty of those.
If I had an 84 sitting out in the garage, I wouldnt sell it, I'd transplant an L98 or LT1 into it... with a ZF 6 speed.
So for fairness, I can stroke the TPI and install an Accell SuperRam manifold. Right?
There was no 83 Vette, that made the CF in the 84 a one year motor for the C4. The TPI SHOULD of been introduced in 84. It's my opinion Chevy screwed up by not giving the revolutionary C4 Corvette it's own revolutionary new fuel injection.
As a result nobody wants the 84s. That is reflected by the fact the 84 is the most affordably priced Corveete on the market.
For folks on a tight budget, that can be a good thing. As pointed out the CF can be modified to be more appealing.
I don't mean to sound like I'm hating on round taillight C4s. The round taillight C4 was the first Vette I fell in love with. The L98 was a solid power plant. The first Corvette I ever got a ride in was a blue 1984 with blue interior. I'm just not a fan of the crossfire. I love Camaros too, but I'd avoid buying a crossfire Z28 as well, and they made plenty of those.
If I had an 84 sitting out in the garage, I wouldnt sell it, I'd transplant an L98 or LT1 into it... with a ZF 6 speed.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...tte/index.html
Last edited by 84cfi; Sep 12, 2010 at 02:57 PM.
Racer
Joined: Jul 2010
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From: Spokane WA
Paid $3500 for my white Z51 4+3 two years ago (109k); $2400 for the blue a/t car last summer (170k) I bought it to get the wheels to put on the white car. $2700 for the black Z51 4+3 in May this year (108k). All 1984's.
I'd keep looking. The top is $500, plus whatever interior work you may need will be expensive.
I'd keep looking. The top is $500, plus whatever interior work you may need will be expensive.
Drifting
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From: Supreme Soviet Peace-Loving Pipple's Kollektive of Seattle Wa
To the OP, $6,500 sounds like too much, but if the car is super clean maybe it's worth that to you. 2 1/2 months ago I bought mine for $1900 and I've put about that much more into it fixing basic neglect issues by the previous owner.
As for all the 84 bashing by those who don't know any better..........
Let take a good look at the "vastly inferior" L-83 compared to the "it's SO great" L-98:
The L-83 has the worst cast-iron production heads ever - they flow ~155 CFM at .400 lift
An intake that reduces port size down to roughly 60% of a "normal" port by the time it gets to the flange
9:0 compression
A tiny "standard" hydraulic cam
Only 2 injectors with 2 small throttle blades (something like 1 3/4") that flow around 400 CFM.
Here is a shot of the intake ports in the manifold:
Now, the vaunted L-98:
Better heads that flow ~185 CFM at .400 lift
9.5:1 compression (supposedly 10:1 in 1991)
A hydraulic roller cam
Dual throttle blades that are almost 2" in diameter
Multi-point fuel injection - 8 injectors
I listed the flow at .400 lift because both stock cams are barely more than .400" lift, so that "matches" what they do stock.
The factory rating for the L-83 was 205 hp/290 ft/lbs of torque, and the L-98 was rated from 230/330 up to 245/345.
On top of all this (no pun intended) is the intake manifold difference. I don't want to cut and paste my whole dissertaion on the intakes, so click here to see that:
http://www.marcmedina.com/crossfire1.html
In the end, what the L-98 guys here are saying is that because of all the extra technology that the L-83 doesn't get to start, it makes (at most) 40 hp more than the L-83. OK, sure, I can live with that, HOWEVER.......
Think about this:
Even the "worst" aftermarket aluminum heads (the Edelbrock performers) will easily pick you up 20 hp over stock.
The L-83 will benefit more by adding a matching .5 point in compression.
Add that hydraulic roller into an L-83 and again you have a big gain in HP and TQ
Give the poor L-83 an intake that will at least flow enough to match those cruddy stock heads and pick up 1/2 a second or more in the 1/4 (actual results from those who have ported the stock intake), or get one of the new Renegades (for 1/3 the price of a complete, used Super Ram setup) and REALLY make some power.
The stock throttle bodies can be easily bored to 2" (52mm) to flow about 600 CFM.
You think all those other improvements won't net at least another 20 hp to "equal" the output of an L-98?
In the end you'll still have an engine that will REV - unlike the L-98's since they have those LONG runners that were designed for a 305.
Sure, in dead stock form the L-98 makes more power than the L-83 but for all the added tech it comes with, it should make a LOT more than it does.
To me, the bottom line is that a "corrected" Crossfire will run VERY well and continue to uphold the Corvette badge - and shock some L-98 guys in the process.
As for all the 84 bashing by those who don't know any better..........
Let take a good look at the "vastly inferior" L-83 compared to the "it's SO great" L-98:
The L-83 has the worst cast-iron production heads ever - they flow ~155 CFM at .400 lift
An intake that reduces port size down to roughly 60% of a "normal" port by the time it gets to the flange
9:0 compression
A tiny "standard" hydraulic cam
Only 2 injectors with 2 small throttle blades (something like 1 3/4") that flow around 400 CFM.
Here is a shot of the intake ports in the manifold:
Now, the vaunted L-98:
Better heads that flow ~185 CFM at .400 lift
9.5:1 compression (supposedly 10:1 in 1991)
A hydraulic roller cam
Dual throttle blades that are almost 2" in diameter
Multi-point fuel injection - 8 injectors
I listed the flow at .400 lift because both stock cams are barely more than .400" lift, so that "matches" what they do stock.
The factory rating for the L-83 was 205 hp/290 ft/lbs of torque, and the L-98 was rated from 230/330 up to 245/345.
On top of all this (no pun intended) is the intake manifold difference. I don't want to cut and paste my whole dissertaion on the intakes, so click here to see that:
http://www.marcmedina.com/crossfire1.html
In the end, what the L-98 guys here are saying is that because of all the extra technology that the L-83 doesn't get to start, it makes (at most) 40 hp more than the L-83. OK, sure, I can live with that, HOWEVER.......
Think about this:
Even the "worst" aftermarket aluminum heads (the Edelbrock performers) will easily pick you up 20 hp over stock.
The L-83 will benefit more by adding a matching .5 point in compression.
Add that hydraulic roller into an L-83 and again you have a big gain in HP and TQ
Give the poor L-83 an intake that will at least flow enough to match those cruddy stock heads and pick up 1/2 a second or more in the 1/4 (actual results from those who have ported the stock intake), or get one of the new Renegades (for 1/3 the price of a complete, used Super Ram setup) and REALLY make some power.
The stock throttle bodies can be easily bored to 2" (52mm) to flow about 600 CFM.
You think all those other improvements won't net at least another 20 hp to "equal" the output of an L-98?
In the end you'll still have an engine that will REV - unlike the L-98's since they have those LONG runners that were designed for a 305.
Sure, in dead stock form the L-98 makes more power than the L-83 but for all the added tech it comes with, it should make a LOT more than it does.
To me, the bottom line is that a "corrected" Crossfire will run VERY well and continue to uphold the Corvette badge - and shock some L-98 guys in the process.
Safety Car
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,628
Likes: 397
From: Madison Wi
I agree, He did a good job of proving the potential of the crossfire.
I always do my comparisons apples to apples however. I compare stock to stock. As easily as a crossfire can be modified, so can any other engine. Any car can be made to be fast. Any car.
You guys have openned my eyes though. I appologize for my prejudice against the 1984. You've made me do some thinking about why I feel the way I do and come to the conclusion that it's because I haven't seen a well maintained showroom condition example of a crossfire C4 in a very long time. Whenever I see one it's always beat, and shows a lot of age. A sharp factory fresh appearing 1984 would get my interest and respect. It's just been a long time sinse I've seen one. I'm sure some folks in this thread have them.
I always do my comparisons apples to apples however. I compare stock to stock. As easily as a crossfire can be modified, so can any other engine. Any car can be made to be fast. Any car.
You guys have openned my eyes though. I appologize for my prejudice against the 1984. You've made me do some thinking about why I feel the way I do and come to the conclusion that it's because I haven't seen a well maintained showroom condition example of a crossfire C4 in a very long time. Whenever I see one it's always beat, and shows a lot of age. A sharp factory fresh appearing 1984 would get my interest and respect. It's just been a long time sinse I've seen one. I'm sure some folks in this thread have them.
Last edited by TraceZ; Sep 12, 2010 at 04:12 PM.
Drifting
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From: Supreme Soviet Peace-Loving Pipple's Kollektive of Seattle Wa
I agree, He did a good job of proving the potential of the crossfire.
I always do my comparisons apples to apples however. I compare stock to stock. As easily as a crossfire can be modified, so can any other engine. Any car can be made to be fast. Any car.
You guys have openned my eyes though. I appologize for my prejudice against the 1984. You've made me do some thinking about why I feel the way I do and come to the conclusion that it's because I haven't see a well maintained showroom condition example of a crossfire C4 in a very long time. Whenever I see one it's always beat, and shows a lot of age. A sharp factory fresh appearing 1984 would get my interest and respect. It's just been a long time sinse I've seen one. I'm sure some folks in this thread have them.
I always do my comparisons apples to apples however. I compare stock to stock. As easily as a crossfire can be modified, so can any other engine. Any car can be made to be fast. Any car.
You guys have openned my eyes though. I appologize for my prejudice against the 1984. You've made me do some thinking about why I feel the way I do and come to the conclusion that it's because I haven't see a well maintained showroom condition example of a crossfire C4 in a very long time. Whenever I see one it's always beat, and shows a lot of age. A sharp factory fresh appearing 1984 would get my interest and respect. It's just been a long time sinse I've seen one. I'm sure some folks in this thread have them.
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From: Madison Wi
What is your problem with crossfires, I have one and it will smoke what ever you are running. I did the same mods as this article below but I added a renegade intake manifold. Oh by the way the 84 in the article is blue. So if you buy an 84 for $3500 and add $2000 your total cost is $5500 for a crossfire that does an 11.8 in the 1/4.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...tte/index.html
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...tte/index.html
Thanks for the link.
