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Old 06-14-2011, 09:56 PM
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I had a windshield replaced on my 94 and they installed a new weatherstrip as well. Now there is a massive wind noise (and I suspect water leak).

When I look at the new weatherstrip where it meets the front edge of the door glass I see the weatherstrip contacts the window along the bottom 3 or 4 inches and along the top 3 or 4 inches. The entire length between these has a gap between the weatherstrip and the glass. The weatherstrip seems to have more support or thicker at the top and bottom but less material in the center section.

The installer says that it a GM part, but when I compare it to my other C4 (an 85) that I know is original, the 85 is uniform along the whole length of the A pillar. So I don't believe it is a GM part.

Has anyone seen this type of issue with a weatherstrip before? Or know what brand weatherstrip this might be?

Or am I just missing something that it can be easily fixed?
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They probably used a cheap aftermarket weatherstrip. You don't want gaps anywhere, but if you have them on the door glass, check along the top too. If water gets trapped in there, your windshield frame will rust. Not good.

A GM part should fit better than that. Either way, I'd make the glass installer do it again. That isn't right. I bought my A-pillar from Willcox and it fits great.
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They probably used a cheap aftermarket weatherstrip. You don't want gaps anywhere, but if you have them on the door glass, check along the top too. If water gets trapped in there, your windshield frame will rust. Not good.

A GM part should fit better than that. Either way, I'd make the glass installer do it again. That isn't right. I bought my A-pillar from Willcox and it fits great.


I bet it is an universal one and filled the gaps with adhesive. Can you post pictures of it?
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Can you adjust the door glass in to close up the gap ?
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Can you adjust the door glass in to close up the gap ?
I believe you can, but you shouldn't have to. I had a massive air leak on both my A & B pillars. I replaced both with Willcox product, problem solved.

I take it from the original post that there wasn't any air leak before the windshield was replaced, correct?
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Thanks for the input.

I can not adjust it out. The glass is making contact at the top and bottom of the front edge. There is no way to adjust it. I would need to reshape the glass to have more glass in the middle.

I think it is just a bad weatherstrip. I am meeting with the installer later today.
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Thanks for the input.

I can not adjust it out. The glass is making contact at the top and bottom of the front edge. There is no way to adjust it. I would need to reshape the glass to have more glass in the middle.

I think it is just a bad weatherstrip. I am meeting with the installer later today.
Yes, there is a way to adjust the glass but, you didnt have the problem before your windshield installation.

I would take it back and have them fix the problem.
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The picture below shows the problem. If you look along the front edge of the glass you can see a gap. Just above the mirror you can see where the glass is contacting the weatherstrip and moving up from there is a gap until a couple inches from the top there is contact again.

The weatherstrip has a lot more material where the glass contacts it and has much less material where you can see the gap.



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A-Ha

The weatherstrip is not installed correctly. I can see it is not in all the way.

Is the water entering from the weatherstrip or a gap between the windshield and the A-Frame?
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What can you see that is not installed correctly? To me it appears that the weatherstrip is seated correctly and it is inserted into the groove the entire way.

I think the weatherstrip is made wrong. It is physically thicker where the glass contacts it at the front edge of the glass, and thinner where there is a gap.

The wind and water come between the front edge of the door glass and the weatherstrip.

I also just met with the installer and he also sees the weatherstrip as bad. I am trying to find out what brand of weatherstrip it is. So far it looks like the part # WIF D951 might be a Precision brand.

I am also trying to find a good weatherstip. So far my searches seem to point to Willcox as being pretty good. Any comments or suggestions?
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What can you see that is not installed correctly? To me it appears that the weatherstrip is seated correctly and it is inserted into the groove the entire way.

I think the weatherstrip is made wrong. It is physically thicker where the glass contacts it at the front edge of the glass, and thinner where there is a gap.

The wind and water come between the front edge of the door glass and the weatherstrip.

I also just met with the installer and he also sees the weatherstrip as bad. I am trying to find out what brand of weatherstrip it is. So far it looks like the part # WIF D951 might be a Precision brand.

I am also trying to find a good weatherstip. So far my searches seem to point to Willcox as being pretty good. Any comments or suggestions?
I can add: For me, and just to keep up with the fitments of different items and parts, I helped our shop install one of these three weeks ago.

Not a hard job, and the weatherstrip sealed perfectly to the door window glass perfectly. Now one thing the shop said that can affect the fit is the door window glass adjustment. If the door glass is out of adjustment, the door window pads worn out or the door hinge pin bushings are worn out..... you will have issues with the fit of the A pillar weatherstrip.

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I got a Willcox weatherstrip.

It is much more uniform in the amount of material and maybe a little softer than the bad one.

After installation it fits and the window meets it all the way along the edge. There is no wind noise from it. (I haven't been out in the rain yet)

A much better weatherstrip than the first one and it was under half the price too.
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Any comments or suggestions?
Cant go wrong with G.M. Theres a reason why the piece cost $280.
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Originally Posted by QCVette
I got a Willcox weatherstrip.

It is much more uniform in the amount of material and maybe a little softer than the bad one.

After installation it fits and the window meets it all the way along the edge. There is no wind noise from it. (I haven't been out in the rain yet)

A much better weatherstrip than the first one and it was under half the price too.
Glad to hear this!
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Cant go wrong with G.M. Theres a reason why the piece cost $280.
Right. Their executives need gas money for the yacht.

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Right. Their executives need gas money for the yacht.

Or their private plane!
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Originally Posted by QCVette
I got a Willcox weatherstrip.

It is much more uniform in the amount of material and maybe a little softer than the bad one.

After installation it fits and the window meets it all the way along the edge. There is no wind noise from it. (I haven't been out in the rain yet)

A much better weatherstrip than the first one and it was under half the price too.
Glad to hear it fits right...not surprised, I was very pleased with Willcox weatherstrips.

Originally Posted by Z51JEFF
Cant go wrong with G.M. Theres a reason why the piece cost $280.
Yes there is. It's called markup.

Originally Posted by GREGGPENN
Right. Their executives need gas money for the yacht.



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Or their private plane!

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