Ignition key cylinder
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Drifting
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From: panama panama
Ignition key cylinder
When I buy my 86 vette. the car came with a home made push botton. that start the car. you can see at the picture, the cable hanging from the stering columm
the way it work is as like this.
you insert the key and turn to the on position. all the electrical of the car work now.
but the car wont crank. here is where the push button comes in.
if I push the button at this time. the the engine start,
Iam asuming that the key cylinder is bad. and that is why, the last owner instal that push botton cable.
so before I get a new key ignition cylinder. how do I know for sure. that the old one is bad.
is there a test I can do or something.
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the way it work is as like this.
you insert the key and turn to the on position. all the electrical of the car work now.
but the car wont crank. here is where the push button comes in.
if I push the button at this time. the the engine start,
Iam asuming that the key cylinder is bad. and that is why, the last owner instal that push botton cable.
so before I get a new key ignition cylinder. how do I know for sure. that the old one is bad.
is there a test I can do or something.
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Pro
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From: Daytona Beach Florida
Why don't you do a real push start ignition and eliminate the key altogether, like I did? There are threads that describe the procedure. I can help you through it, if you like. Here's mine.[IMG]
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Drifting
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From: panama panama
CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE IS THIS threads
after thinking about this for a moment. I dont see the benefit of doing a push start buttom.
a new key cylinder cost me $38.00 in a store near here.
Agent 86. (member of this forum) send me detail istructions to install this part.
so I think I go with the original setup
after thinking about this for a moment. I dont see the benefit of doing a push start buttom.
a new key cylinder cost me $38.00 in a store near here.
Agent 86. (member of this forum) send me detail istructions to install this part.
so I think I go with the original setup
Last edited by hitmanpty; Nov 1, 2011 at 04:06 PM.
Drifting
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Before buying the lock cylinder, you should drop the column and check the adjustment on the actual ignition switch. This will be a good chance to clean up the extra wires as well. There is a rod between the cylinder and actual switch. Switch has elongated holes for adjustment. Or the switch could be bad. Cylinder is only for mechanical movement of rod with exception of vats.
Pro
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Daytona Beach Florida
CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE IS THIS threads
after thinking about this for a moment. I dont see the benefit of doing a push start buttom.
a new key cylinder cost me $38.00 in a store near here.
Agent 86. (member of this forum) send me detail istructions to install this part.
so I think I go with the original setup
after thinking about this for a moment. I dont see the benefit of doing a push start buttom.
a new key cylinder cost me $38.00 in a store near here.
Agent 86. (member of this forum) send me detail istructions to install this part.
so I think I go with the original setup
I'm not worried about reselling it someday or keeping it stock. I plan on keeping it forever; don't even want a c5 or c6.... The only car I would give up my vette for would be a Ford GT. (ok..maybe a c5 Zo6)
Good Luck getting it fixed.
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Drifting
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From: panama panama
Before buying the lock cylinder, you should drop the column and check the adjustment on the actual ignition switch. This will be a good chance to clean up the extra wires as well. There is a rod between the cylinder and actual switch. Switch has elongated holes for adjustment. Or the switch could be bad. Cylinder is only for mechanical movement of rod with exception of vats.
Drifting
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From: Birmingham AL
The lock cylinder that you put the key in is not the ignition switch. The lock cylinder pushes a rod that actuates the ignition switch that is located on top of the steering column under the dash. If I recall correctly, then the switch can be adjusted if the rod from the cylinder doesn't push far enough to engage the starter.
I would start by removing the additional wiring and start button. Repair the factory harness if it was cut. Then, see if the car starts like it should. If not, drop the column enough to access the switch. Try sliding the switch towards the steering wheel a little with the adjustment. If nothing, replace the switch. That should fix it unless it is a vats issue. I think that vats would disable fuel as well though. Not sure about that. Does the security light do anything with the ignition on?
I would start by removing the additional wiring and start button. Repair the factory harness if it was cut. Then, see if the car starts like it should. If not, drop the column enough to access the switch. Try sliding the switch towards the steering wheel a little with the adjustment. If nothing, replace the switch. That should fix it unless it is a vats issue. I think that vats would disable fuel as well though. Not sure about that. Does the security light do anything with the ignition on?
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Drifting
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From: panama panama
dont know about security light since my dash is totally toust.
I will take this weekend and check the ignition swish like you say. se what I can find out
thank you for the information.
I will take this weekend and check the ignition swish like you say. se what I can find out
thank you for the information.
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Drifting
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From: panama panama
The lock cylinder that you put the key in is not the ignition switch. The lock cylinder pushes a rod that actuates the ignition switch that is located on top of the steering column under the dash. If I recall correctly, then the switch can be adjusted if the rod from the cylinder doesn't push far enough to engage the starter.
I would start by removing the additional wiring and start button. Repair the factory harness if it was cut. Then, see if the car starts like it should. If not, drop the column enough to access the switch. Try sliding the switch towards the steering wheel a little with the adjustment. If nothing, replace the switch. That should fix it unless it is a vats issue. I think that vats would disable fuel as well though. Not sure about that. Does the security light do anything with the ignition on?
I would start by removing the additional wiring and start button. Repair the factory harness if it was cut. Then, see if the car starts like it should. If not, drop the column enough to access the switch. Try sliding the switch towards the steering wheel a little with the adjustment. If nothing, replace the switch. That should fix it unless it is a vats issue. I think that vats would disable fuel as well though. Not sure about that. Does the security light do anything with the ignition on?
I really have to check that before go and buy stuff.
thank you you open my eyes. can see more clearly now
Drifting
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After looking at the above photo again, it appears that the VATS system is removed. I don't see the box. It should be mounted to the metal bracket on the passenger side of the dash. I wonder if this has something to do with the push button. You should research the VATS system - Vehicle Anti Theft System. Definitely something to look into.
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From: panama panama
After looking at the above photo again, it appears that the VATS system is removed. I don't see the box. It should be mounted to the metal bracket on the passenger side of the dash. I wonder if this has something to do with the push button. You should research the VATS system - Vehicle Anti Theft System. Definitely something to look into.
when I remove the passenger dash cover was not there.
is this have something to do with the ignition cable. we are talking about????
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From: panama panama
I think I will have to open a new post with all the facts I have learn from you with pictures and everything. and start working from zero
look like I dont have a VAT system. what will I do in that case.
look like I dont have a VAT system. what will I do in that case.
Drifting
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From: Birmingham AL
Follow the wires from the start button. If they go to the harness near the ignition switch, then only that was likely bypassed. There should be a security light in the center of the dash. It would indicate a VATS issue if it illuminates when you try to start with the key.