Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (Crispyc21)
i have one of each so i can give an opinion. i have a 2000 ws6/ls1 trans am with all available options and a 1986 corvette pace car. the trans am is faster off the line up to about 90mph. then the corvette takes over. quarter mile speed the corvette does a 13 flat and the trans am does upper 12's. the corvette is all stock except a k&n. the ta has a hypertech chip and a k&n. this was on the same track on the same day. top end the vette is faster. the vette will go 161 mph and the trans am around 145. the vette out performs it most in resale.
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (stillthere)
you're telling me that a stock 86 Corvette 'vert is running 13.0 in the 1/4? Why do I find that extremely hard to believe? 14.0 I might believe, but 13???
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (stillthere)
the corvette does a 13 flat and the trans am does upper 12's. the corvette is all stock except a k&n.
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (stillthere)
i have one of each so i can give an opinion. i have a 2000 ws6/ls1 trans am with all available options and a 1986 corvette pace car. the trans am is faster off the line up to about 90mph. then the corvette takes over. quarter mile speed the corvette does a 13 flat and the trans am does upper 12's. the corvette is all stock except a k&n. the ta has a hypertech chip and a k&n. this was on the same track on the same day. top end the vette is faster. the vette will go 161 mph and the trans am around 145. the vette out performs it most in resale.
:lol:
you are not one of these guys that says the car is stock and does not consider stuff like NOS, lower gears, slicks, remove front sway bar, etc and consider the car stock because the engine is not touch. Are you?
:lol:
I think your comments are all backwards. The L98 may take off quicker but the LS1 will smoke it on the top end.
Sir, I think you have some editing to do.
:lol: :D :cheers:
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I've done top end races on the highway vs. LT1 F-Bodies, and 1/4 at the track.
Stock my car would win by anywhere from 1 to 6 tenths at the track depending on driver and drivetrain configuration. On the highway I could pull them by about 1-2 cars and then at about 135mph they would start crawling back up to me, and at 145mph they would have 1/2 car lead.
Stock my car would win by anywhere from 1 to 6 tenths at the track depending on driver and drivetrain configuration. On the highway I could pull them by about 1-2 cars and then at about 135mph they would start crawling back up to me, and at 145mph they would have 1/2 car lead.
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (ConeKLR)
all stock. i have both so i know. you hear people talking s@#t and get your info from that so you dont know. sometimes they put a motor together and it works better than others. i have a friend that has a 86 pace car and his car is fast too. the only mod on my pace car i didnt mention is the cats have been cleaned out. no crack here just an unbiased opinion. i am the driver of both cars and i know how they both drive.
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I've done top end races on the highway vs. LT1 F-Bodies, and 1/4 at the track.
Stock my car would win by anywhere from 1 to 6 tenths at the track depending on driver and drivetrain configuration. On the highway I could pull them by about 1-2 cars and then at about 135mph they would start crawling back up to me, and at 145mph they would have 1/2 car lead.
Stock my car would win by anywhere from 1 to 6 tenths at the track depending on driver and drivetrain configuration. On the highway I could pull them by about 1-2 cars and then at about 135mph they would start crawling back up to me, and at 145mph they would have 1/2 car lead.
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the only mod on my pace car i didnt mention is the cats have been cleaned out.
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (stillthere)
all stock. i have both so i know. you hear people talking s@#t and get your info from that so you dont know. sometimes they put a motor together and it works better than others. i have a friend that has a 86 pace car and his car is fast too. the only mod on my pace car i didnt mention is the cats have been cleaned out. no crack here just an unbiased opinion. i am the driver of both cars and i know how they both drive.
What Elevation was the 1/4 track at?
What was your trap speed when you ran the 13.0 ET?
Maybe the answers will clear it up as to why your stock L98 is so fast.
I won't second guess what you are saying. But there has to be a reason why your stock L98 is so fast.
BTW, I don't go by what other poopie people say. I deal in true facts.
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probably not it was in 1999. my car has been restored since and is no longer a driver its retired as a show car. i ran it 6 times and was in the 13's every run except 1. nothing from 84 to 92 could run with it except modifieds.
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13flat...i dont know what all the other times were. im not a drag racer. this was at a show and drag, just for fun. that was my second time on a track. i took my 72 lt1 on the track in the mid 1980's at a show and drag in phoenix city al. i dont remember what thar time was but it was not as fast as the 86. 13 flat was faster than all the other stock c4's in my class except some of the newer ones.
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (ConeKLR)
What kind of crack are you smoking? :crazy: :lol:
Guess you have never seen an LT4 run have you?
I think you need to do a little more research or go to your local 1/4 track and compare the WS6's to the LT4's. You will be surprised. :D
Guess you have never seen an LT4 run have you?
I think you need to do a little more research or go to your local 1/4 track and compare the WS6's to the LT4's. You will be surprised. :D
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (GDP)
What kind of crack are you smoking? :crazy: :lol:
Guess you have never seen an LT4 run have you?
I think you need to do a little more research or go to your local 1/4 track and compare the WS6's to the LT4's. You will be surprised. :D
Um, I'm talking WS6 FORMULA, not Trans Am. Formula = faster. The WS6 Formula has a better weight distribution (51/49), is only 83 lbs heavier, .01 more drag, wheelbase is 4.9 inches larger, five less horsepower, and five more ft. lbs of torque. Hmmm, well this car can run consistant high 12s 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 4.9 (5.1 according to factory, but that's for the heavier Trans Am, not the Formula). Now, according to the research I've done the '96 LT4 Grand Sport 'vette does a 0-60 in 5.1, same as a WS6 Trans Am, and a 13.7 1/4 mile. Seems to me that the 2000 WS6 Formula would be the better performance car of the two. So who's the one that needs to do the research?
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Guess you have never seen an LT4 run have you?
I think you need to do a little more research or go to your local 1/4 track and compare the WS6's to the LT4's. You will be surprised. :D
Um, I'm talking WS6 FORMULA, not Trans Am. Formula = faster. The WS6 Formula has a better weight distribution (51/49), is only 83 lbs heavier, .01 more drag, wheelbase is 4.9 inches larger, five less horsepower, and five more ft. lbs of torque. Hmmm, well this car can run consistant high 12s 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 4.9 (5.1 according to factory, but that's for the heavier Trans Am, not the Formula). Now, according to the research I've done the '96 LT4 Grand Sport 'vette does a 0-60 in 5.1, same as a WS6 Trans Am, and a 13.7 1/4 mile. Seems to me that the 2000 WS6 Formula would be the better performance car of the two. So who's the one that needs to do the research?
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s (GDP)
What kind of crack are you smoking? :crazy: :lol:
Guess you have never seen an LT4 run have you?
I think you need to do a little more research or go to your local 1/4 track and compare the WS6's to the LT4's. You will be surprised. :D
Um, I'm talking WS6 FORMULA, not Trans Am. Formula = faster. The WS6 Formula has a better weight distribution (51/49), is only 83 lbs heavier, .01 more drag, wheelbase is 4.9 inches larger, five less horsepower, and five more ft. lbs of torque. Hmmm, well this car can run consistant high 12s 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 4.9 (5.1 according to factory, but that's for the heavier Trans Am, not the Formula). Now, according to the research I've done the '96 LT4 Grand Sport 'vette does a 0-60 in 5.1, same as a WS6 Trans Am, and a 13.7 1/4 mile. Seems to me that the 2000 WS6 Formula would be the better performance car of the two. So who's the one that needs to do the research?
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Guess you have never seen an LT4 run have you?
I think you need to do a little more research or go to your local 1/4 track and compare the WS6's to the LT4's. You will be surprised. :D
Um, I'm talking WS6 FORMULA, not Trans Am. Formula = faster. The WS6 Formula has a better weight distribution (51/49), is only 83 lbs heavier, .01 more drag, wheelbase is 4.9 inches larger, five less horsepower, and five more ft. lbs of torque. Hmmm, well this car can run consistant high 12s 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 4.9 (5.1 according to factory, but that's for the heavier Trans Am, not the Formula). Now, according to the research I've done the '96 LT4 Grand Sport 'vette does a 0-60 in 5.1, same as a WS6 Trans Am, and a 13.7 1/4 mile. Seems to me that the 2000 WS6 Formula would be the better performance car of the two. So who's the one that needs to do the research?
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:cheers:
But like i said do research or go to your local 1/4 and compare. I am sure you can find a few LT4's and Fire chickens to do a comparison. Use one LT4 driver and one Fire chicken driver to run all the cars. Also, have them swap cars. Then let us you you find out. :D
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Re: Comparing 2002 fbodies to C4s
Ok, having owned a 95 LT1 Formula, a 2000 LS1 TA, and my 92 LT1 Vette I'll throw in my experiences. First off, let me explain that our local drag strip is not the best and that times at it typically suffer .2-.4 over a good track. My 95 LT1 ran 14.0 bone stock at a good track in GA, and then after a mild cam and 1.6RRs ran a 13.5. When I moved to Tulsa, the best I could get out of it at the local track was a 13.8. The 2000 TA ran a best of 13.8, and the Vette just ran a 13.7, both at the track here in Tulsa. Also, I've seen plenty of other bone stock LS1 f-bodies running 13.8-13.9s (or higher) at our track. Now I will say that my Vette is a good running car, but there are plenty of others that run just as well. However, as another comparison point , my buddies bone stock 94 Vette (A4 3.07 gears) just ran a best of 14.4. So can an LS1 f-body beat your average C4? The answer is: it depends. Is it LS1 vs LT1, or L98? How experienced is the driver? What type of tranny does each car have?...
Anyway, can an LS1 f-body with the same tranny and driver beat and LT1 Vette? Probably in many cases, but not always.
Anyway, can an LS1 f-body with the same tranny and driver beat and LT1 Vette? Probably in many cases, but not always.