It's not just the L98 guys, on another site I visit the LT1 guys claim their stock LT1 pulls so much harder than the LSX cars (F body site so same body style with two generations of engines so its LT1 vs LS1 vice the CF L98 vs LT1)

On that site they actually have the LT1 torque monster threads vs the LSX..
Once again its just the butt dyno mistaking a shorter power curve for performance.


MIke

 

Are LT4 cars not known for being able to outrun LS1-engined C5s? Something to do with a combination of underrating by GM and more profound drive-train losses on the C5.

 

All bs aside, my buddy has a hard time keeping up with me in his 99. His words not mine.

 

NO, a stock LT4 vs a Stock LS1 would be a driver's skill race.

 

Friends like that are hard to come by. Always appreciate him.

 

 

Sure you can, you just have to work it out with the C5/6 owners to let you.

 

Oh....no...

Cool graph. Interesting (to me) that the LT4 makes more low end tq than the LT1 AND the LS1 up to about 2600 or so. Even with more cam. It's pretty clear though, that there LT1 isn't going to out-do the LS1, anywhere. Not in tq, not in hp, not down low, not up top. It's a slaughter....as one should expect.

 

Do you guys really try to race a C6 Corvette with a stock 28 year old car. Wow. My 95 runs good and is pure stock but it is still 18 years old, and a lot of fun to cruise around in.
I know If I push it real hard something will break and that is very expensive. Good luck with the races.

 

Honestly, at lot of folks out there from ALL walks of the car world are talking out of their butt.

Put up or shut up. Less of running your mouth, and more of running your car.

A LOT OF IT IS DRIVER SKILL.

A stock LT1 ZF6 has the potential to at very least keep up with a LS1 auto car. IF the LT1 guy can shift and really launch the car, its a coin toss. Same with LS1 stick verus LT1/LT4 stick. At LOT of folks cannot drive much less race. Especially with a manual box.

I've talked to guys who talked a lot of trash about how fast their stock C5 Z06 was only to run 13.2's on drag slicks. Mean while I'm running 13.5's all day on street tires basically bone stock. Hows that extra 100hp and 200lbs less weight working out for ya??? LEARN TO DRIVE THE DANG THING!!!

Now JUST comparing the cars, LSX hands down. That is on paper however, racing occurs with drivers and at a track.

If your getting beat by a stock L83 or L98 in a stock LS1 or higher, stick or auto, you just suck at driving...go buy a Prius.

There is nothing magical about the L98 or LT1/LT4 powertrains. People are just idiots, nothing more. The LT5 is Magical, that is a fact.

 

concur!

 

 

I've seen the chart, but it's not clear if that's crank or wheels. I have no delusions that the LT-series is somehow better than the LS-series engine, but to claim that any C5 can pull away from any C4 in a straight line is being a hair optimistic. Just like there isn't anything amazing about the L98, there is likewise nothing amazing about the LS1. It's just light. As-is in the car, it's still only 5.7L, it's still choking for air, and it's still only making around 350 HP unadjusted. Handling-wise, the C5 absolutely wipes the floor with the C4, but straight line with the most comparable C4? Not as clear-cut.

 

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Which means the LT4 crushes the L98 on the low end.




LT4 torque monster.



Waiting for the deluge of LT4 torque monster threads.........

 

I enjoy a aboatguy's threads.........

No, my stock L98 was slow when I bought it in April 2001; seemed powerful enough after driving a V6 Dakota around for a while though, but it was purchased as a "project car" knowing I was starting with a SBC Chevy, with a nice suspension package, decent looks, at a price tag that was affordable even back in '01 when nice LT1's were stilling selling at $15K all day long; sometimes higher.....

Had my A_ _ handed to me on a number of occasions when it was bone stock; mine NEVER pulled the numbers I see on here with their stock L98! I remember taking it to the track in stock form (or at least in the phase I bought it from the PO; pulled a best of 14.99 @90mph); pretty much sucked; but I remember later taking it to the inspection shop to have the tags renewed and the cat being somewhat clogged or broken before I started rebuilding the whole thing; don't remember which; but at any rate, it was underpowered by what was newer; even back in '01 or "02 before it became was it is now;

THERE IS NO MAGIC in old technology; trust me; great for it's time, but... time marches on with technology; soon we will be seeing 500hp 4 cylinders with forced induction; getting 40mph on the highway.....not for me but, may outperform some of the "outdated LS7's someday"; just like the computer you are typing on now will pretty much suck compared to what you might buy in a year or two......

 

So you're saying that a slightly lighter car that makes more hp and tq from about 2400 RPM^ isn't going to win fairly universally?

But then you go on to say that two cars which produce ABOUT the same skid pad, slalom, braking distances...one of those cars "wipes the floor" with the other in handling?

 

Ending this one before it goes further down the toilet.