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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 07:14 AM
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Since buying a 93 6 speed in October I've been reading up as much as I can & came up with something I haven't seen mentioned. I may be wrong, but apparently the FX3 equipped cars came with 275-40-17s all round while the others came with 255-45-17 in front & 285-40-17s on the rear. I believe the wheel sizes were different as well.

My questions............are my above statements true?
Secondly, does anyone know the rationale behind this?
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 07:51 AM
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You are correct. The base cars got 17x8.5 fronts and 17x9.5 rears, where as the FX3/Z07 cars got 17x9.5 all around.

I'm guessing as the FX3/Z07 cars run the same size all around for easy of use on the track and can be rotated, but that is just my guess.
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Actually the Z07 cars had the same size on all four. The Z07 required the FX3 option too.

The Z07 was 17 x 9.5 with 275/40/17 tires all around

All others were 17 x 8.5 with 255/45/17 front and 17 x 9.5 with 285/40/17 rear.

I think the reason was to decrease tram lining and make a less sensitive steering on the base cars.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Thanks guys. Very interesting responses so far. I was also thinking along the lines of trying to dial in more understeer & therefore an increase of safety (mostly perceived)
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 10:43 AM
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One problem with the larger (wider) front tires was having the tires wander on road surfaces where lots of traffic would create ruts in the pavement. The wide tires would "grab" the edges of the ruts and tend to move toward the edges. The narrower front tire helped to reduce that grabbing sensation.

But having the same size tire on all four corners does allow for tire rotation which allows for longer tread life.
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One problem with the larger (wider) front tires was having the tires wander on road surfaces where lots of traffic would create ruts in the pavement. The wide tires would "grab" the edges of the ruts and tend to move toward the edges. The narrower front tire helped to reduce that grabbing sensation.
The 'wandering' in road ruts can be a bit scary. I actually pulled over a couple of times thinking that I might have had a loose wheel or a flat. New rubber took care of that problem though.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 04:22 PM
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I'm running 285's in front and when I get in the truck ruts it's like it has a mind of it's own. I was actually pulled over by a Leo once because he thought I may have had a bit too many spirits and when I told him about the handling problem he had a big laugh.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 05:27 PM
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Although I can understand all this talk of tram lining on a theoretical level, I can honestly say I've never consistently experienced it in any car I've ever driven these last 30 years.
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Originally Posted by dtana
Although I can understand all this talk of tram lining on a theoretical level, I can honestly say I've never consistently experienced it in any car I've ever driven these last 30 years.
Consistently doesn't work here - if you drove a car that "tram-lined" that car would do it every time on that same stretch of highway if it entered the same section/groove of the surface. Every time and every driver!
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Originally Posted by WVZR-1
Consistently doesn't work here - if you drove a car that "tram-lined" that car would do it every time on that same stretch of highway if it entered the same section/groove of the surface. Every time and every driver!
Just so I'm clear on this. Are you saying that this is something that happens to Corvettes more than the "average" car, that it happens predominantly to cars with "wide" tires or what?
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dtana
that it happens predominantly to cars with "wide" tires or what?
The wider the tire the more prone to tracking the car is.

Also bear in mind ,the C4 started out as a true "perf" handling car , as the years progressed ,the suspension got softer and softer due to new owner
( the type that drive to the golf club on Sunday ) complaints about the hard suspension and it's handling characteristics so the base cars ended up as "luxury / perf " cruisers

As you can be from this chart
http://www.vettenet.org/susp_chart.html

the Z51 "perf handling " option in '96 was softer than the base FE1 suspension in '91
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My 92 came with 17" x 9 1/2" all around. The front has pulled me in the road ruts every time at the same locations for 11 years.
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On Highway 26 up here in Portland we have some nasty ruts. my 91 Z28 would hit these ruts and pull the car back and forth. I hated it so much I stopped driving on that stretch of the highway.

My 40th has the wider rear tires, and it has even wider then stock now. 315's on the rear. it doesn't have nearly the tracking issues my Z28 had but if I goto change lanes I really have to hold on because going from one set of ruts to the other can be dicey
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Originally Posted by dtana
Thanks guys. Very interesting responses so far. I was also thinking along the lines of trying to dial in more understeer & therefore an increase of safety (mostly perceived)
This was not the intent when the went from the 275's at all four in 92 to the 255/285 setup in 93. The mentioned tram lining and grabbing was the issue. They increased the rear sway bar thickness from 22mm to 24mm to help with the understeer. They did understeer more even with the bigger bar.

Interesting fact is that the C5/Base C6/C7's all come with narrow 245 or similar front tires and larger rear tires. Even the C5Z06 only came with 275/40/17's up front and 295/35/18's out back.

C4's can wear some BIG rubber, this is an advantage. I might just try some 18X9.5 wheels at all fours on my C4 and some BFG Rival 295/35/18's at all four as well. Where as the C5 and S2000 in the same SCCA auto-x class, cannot wear tires that big. Hehehe.
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