I am guessing that maybe Tom400CFI might not have reacted that way if Dt86 hadn't thrown down the first stone in post #48 by telling him he "made no sense". To me and a lot of others, I think he makes a LOT of sense.

 

THank you^! A voice of reason is nice to see.



With you posting, I'm in no danger of that. "The roof of a C4 is not a structural member".


Indeed. First words you've written on which I think we can all agree.


Right. I'm the one with "issues" here. You are patronizing most here with your preaching about the "law". You better be a pretty impecible person to take such a position. Yet, I notice you haven't even attempted to reply to my questioning of that...I'm sure like most, you've chosen to break the law too. Difference is that I don't judge you for that.


That is what you should have said in your first post, then left the thread since you disagree w/it. Compare what you just now said with your first, absurd post:
What was he thinking?!!! 13 years old? Did he not realize the risk he as a parent was taking letting this kid drive on a public roadway? Let alone putting this child at real risk of causing an accident and possibly hurting himself and innocent others? I call this just plain stupid and irresponsible on a parents part. No excuses.

See the difference? Then you talk to me about name calling??... The OP didn't post looking for moral and legal advice...he posted to share one of the joys of being a grandfather, a father and a son. You slaughtered that sharing with your first, sensationalized post and instantly turned this into a "politics religion & controversy" thread.

 

Well as you stated, "it makes a lot of sense to you" and some others , but Dt86 had an opinion that makes a lot of sense to him and many others. Me included. Throwing our opinions out the window here and insisting yours are right because they're your opinion is just the wrong way to go about it. Name calling by one individual here and ranting like a 13 year old kid maybe showing my point.

 

I suggest you go back and look at post #2 - yours!! That appears to be where the name calling originated along with the emoticon.

 

Busted!!

I will teach my son to drive just like Tom's son did If anyone has any objection the can put in a complaint with the complaint dep.

 

Tom400CFI Please take an aspirin and calm down for Gods sake! You must be having a nightmare trying to take all those excerpts out of my replies. You even went way back to pull something up. You're amazing! Move on and let it go.

 

I'm perfectly calm. Wasn't that the same tactic you took in the roof thread too? :lol

Where did that occur in this thread? I don't think that it did. I think we all know that it's technically illegal to allow a kid to drive. I didn't dismiss that, or throw it out the window. In fact, when it is time to teach my own son to drive, that will be a very weighty factor in how I go about it.
I know that there are risks; physical, liability, legal. I know that someone could, possibly, get hurt. That would also weight heavily on how I go about such an activity too. So have I "thrown your opinion (position) out the window"? No. I have not and I don't think anyone else here has either. Not that I have seen. Position noted, and already considered. To wit, my son is already older than I was when I first drove...yet I haven't allowed him to yet. Why? He's not mature enough/ready, IMO. He's not me. When he is ready, we'll try it in a safe place.

So what did you get a reaction for? Obviously you haven't figured it out. Your "opinion" that there are risks and it's illegal? No. It was that you came on the thread, and attacked the OP brought 'blood and gore' into it when that was totally out of line and far, far from what the OP was doing...and yes you even name called. Then you talked down to the rest, lecturing about the law as if you're above it all yourself....I think it's pretty safe to say that no one is, so that was a pretty weak position for you to take.

I can't speak for everyone, but I BET that most acknowledge that there are risks, it is technically illegal, and that it has to be a carefully thought out, managed situation if it's going to be attempted.

By the way:


I guess you shouldn't have done that in your first post then, huh?

 

Tom, you need to calm down a little and think about what your saying,
sounds like your getting somewhat confused, how did I "manipulate your quote" or "chop up your post"?? sorry mate but I dont have a clue what your on about..I'll be the first to admit I just aint that clever! I believe your referring to post 43, if you follow the comments between us going backwards, it will make sense,
I dont know where you got the idea I had manipulated or chopped up your comments, I simply pressed the reply button at the bottom of post 43, you seem to be fixated on the OPs original post, at no time have I said what the father was doing teaching his son was wrong, for probably the third and last time I will repeat, If the lad was off the road and supervised buy his dad then good for him, thats great!
To be honest, Im getting kinda tired trying to explain my self to you, you have absolutely no interest in listening to anyone that doesnt share your views, and now its descended to name calling, if I want to read that kind of behaviour I'll go on the OT forum.. having said that I do respect your knowledge and posts on mechanical matters, and look forward to reading those, however as far as this thread goes, it's going nowhere and Im out, sooner just go for a drive..

 

Copy that. I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Somehow the quote box in your post my my quote wasn't what I originally said. IDK how that happened, but that was why I asked. I get what you're saying now. Thanks for the reply.

 

No problem Tom, thanks for your reply

 

this issue has started to denigrate and turn into a bit of diatribe...
call me a horse's **** if you wish; but, there was a day (and I suspect still happening) when a police officer would turn a blind eye to this sort of teaching practice - and that I can speak to with much authority if you get my drift. Is it legal to do so is not so much the issue as is, has the public safety been compromised? again jmo

 

We are done here.

 

I think things have to be put in perspective here. I think there is a little too much application of what I like to call the "Chicken Little Syndrome" - a piece of the sky COULD fall and hit you in the head. I too grew up on a farm and have been driving farm implements and vehicles since I was 6-7 years old. I presently live in the country with my own family and my girls have driven all of my vehicles since they were about ten years old. Previous to that, they learned to drive snow mobiles and quads safely. I live down a lane off the main hiway about a half mile long. There are no side entrances and no other traffic but mine. You would have to talk a long time to convince me of any danger here. When my oldest girl took her driving test, she passed the test with ZERO points deducted (and on her first try) while a large portion of the city kids that took drivers ed with her failed the first attempt. She is now 23 years old, has had no accidents and can take any traffic situation that may arise. When my 14 year old writes her exam, there is no doubt in my mind that she will have the same results. Was letting them do this illegal? Absolutely. Was I willing to accept any risk? Absolutely, because it was a controlled risk.

 

 

At first I thought he was going to be driving a Corvette. Glad that wasn't the case :-) I started driving under my Dad's supervision when I was 10 and it was a Chevy II with three on the tree. So in addition to learning to drive, I was learning to use a clutch and shift. Thanks to this early training, I have become an excellent driver. I would rather face a 13 year old driver who is paying attention to his driving verses a 16 YO smart *** texting, talking to his friends and eating a hamburger at the same time.

 

Don't get me started about kids texting and driving! There's not enough aspirin.

 

Its not just kids, This is an epidemic.

 

When I was 5 or 6, my mom gave me an unloaded revolver. Explained to me what it was, told me that it wasn't a toy, and let me handle it and look it over. Then she took me out to the country and let me shoot it. I discovered that it was heavy, noisy, and completely inferior to my cap gun.

The mystery was gone and I never had a desire to look at it again.

 

So this is what goes on in c4 gen.

I just saw this thread was on the front page as being the top "Popular Discussion" and thought I'd check it out.

 

Yeah, usually we just stick stick to boring stuff like C4s.