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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 10:07 AM
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As I work around my 95 Coupe I'm slowly doing all the maintenance that I feel is necessary. Opening the coolant tank, I find its green. If I'm not mistaken, plain old conventional antifreeze is green. My 95 car needs Dexcool, which is orange. Is this correct? My first impression is to get it out of there ASAP. Next up, how to replace. Is it a simple matter of drain, flush and replace or do I have to do some sort of native dance as well?
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My 95 had a new opti and a new radiator the year previous to my purchase of it and it had been properly flushed and refilled with conventional coolant. I chose to keep it green. Dexcool supposedly has a longer change interval, but I am ok with actually changing coolant every three years or so. I would consider keeping it conventional because:

1) you own the coolant- ie, it is paid for and properly flushed and done- use it up for 2-3 years
2) it is a lot of work to properly and totally flush a system for a chemistry change.

95/96 cars were a transitional year for coolants- I'm not sure how others feel about it, but Dexcool had its problems in different 90's GM's- especially if you never flushed it.
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Nothing wrong with green, just not what came in your car. To change it yes a complete flush of the system with water many times with the heater on hot to get it out of the heater core. be sure to let it completely warm up so the thermostat opens.
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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 73n95
My 95 car needs Dexcool
Your '95 doesn't "need" any special coolant.

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Nothing wrong with green, just not what came in your car. To change it yes a complete flush of the system with water many times with the heater on hot to get it out of the heater core. be sure to let it completely warm up so the thermostat opens.
Ther is absolutely nothing wrong w/green, as long as you keep it maintained.
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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 12:11 PM
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Green is better. DexCrap got GM sued a few years back for corroding aluminum engine parts to the point they'd no longer seal.

Prestone Green is all you need, as long as it's clean and taken care of.
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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mike100
My 95 had a new opti and a new radiator the year previous to my purchase of it and it had been properly flushed and refilled with conventional coolant. I chose to keep it green. Dexcool supposedly has a longer change interval, but I am ok with actually changing coolant every three years or so. I would consider keeping it conventional because:

1) you own the coolant- ie, it is paid for and properly flushed and done- use it up for 2-3 years
2) it is a lot of work to properly and totally flush a system for a chemistry change.

95/96 cars were a transitional year for coolants- I'm not sure how others feel about it, but Dexcool had its problems in different 90's GM's- especially if you never flushed it.

Best to keep with what is already being used. From the reading I have done, seems the biggest issue with Dexcool is when the conventional coolant was not fully flushed 100% and bad bad chemical reactions then start to sludge up the cooling system. My 95 has Dexcool and I recently completed a system flush, I just kept with that as no need to tempt the coolant gods with these cars.
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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 12:18 PM
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I changed mine to green. but if you change it back or flush it. you must pull both knock sensors to do it right. alot of crap in there and many folks don't know about it. the differant coolants don't play well. proper torque and dope is a must for the knocks.

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Originally Posted by MavsAK
Green is better. DexCrap got GM sued a few years back for corroding aluminum engine parts to the point they'd no longer seal.
No, no, NO! Please don't make **** up. GM did get sued over Dexcool. Bringing that up is sensational and proves nothing, as I could sue you for being a "dummy"...but that in no way, "proves" that you are a dummy (and I"m not implying that you are...just chose that for the example). The suit wasn't successful, and the root cause wasn't Dexcool. Geeze this stuff won't die.

By posting that^, I'm not advocating that the OP use Dex; either will work FINE, w/a good flushing and proper maintenance. One requires more frequent maintenance, than the other. That's it.

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No, no, NO! Please don't make **** up. GM did get sued over Dexcool. Bringing that up is sensational and proves nothing, as I could sue you for being a "dummy"...but that in no way, "proves" that you are a dummy (and I"m not implying that you are...just chose that for the example). The suit wasn't successful, and the root cause wasn't Dexcool. Geeze this stuff won't die.

By posting that^, I'm not advocating that the OP use Dex; either will work FINE, w/a good flushing and proper maintenance. One requires more frequent maintenance, than the other. That's it.

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dexcool did eat up some intake manifolds I had one and had to fight with G.M. to refund money after I replaced it with the (new style) not dexcools fault.
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Originally Posted by Tom400CFI
No, no, NO! Please don't make **** up. GM did get sued over Dexcool. Bringing that up is sensational and proves nothing, as I could sue you for being a "dummy"...but that in no way, "proves" that you are a dummy (and I"m not implying that you are...just chose that for the example). The suit wasn't successful, and the root cause wasn't Dexcool. Geeze this stuff won't die.

By posting that^, I'm not advocating that the OP use Dex; either will work FINE, w/a good flushing and proper maintenance. One requires more frequent maintenance, than the other. That's it.

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I seem to recall reading that it ate intake manifolds among other things.
It also gums up from my understanding with ANY air contamination.


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...m_dexcool.html

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2011/03/...ol-settlement/

Why take the chance on that garbage. Green is just as effective without turning into gum, or eating away at nylon, aluminum and pretty much everything else.

It was proven to be a load of sludge. Nothing sensationalist about it.
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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 02:16 PM
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I agree with most others here. Just because your 95 is spec'd to use Dex-Cool doesn't mean you must use it. In your original post I didn't read that you want to use Dex-Cool, just that you were concerned the car now has green. Since yours already has the green, I suggest continuing with the green. It's proven over decades, it works fine, and will cause no problems with your car. My 1995 had green when I bought it, I could see it in the surge tank and was green when I flushed it out through the knock sensors. Refilled with 50/50 green and a bottle of hy-per lube super coolant (generic water wetter) and it works great.
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Do you guys still put the seal tabs in?

I purchased some on Ebay and used them on my last flush and fill. I thought that I read that the coolant weeps through the aluminum castings, and the seal tabs slow that down.

Thoughts?
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Coolant should not weep through aluminum.



Originally Posted by MavsAK
It was proven to be a load of sludge. Nothing sensationalist about it.
That is simply not true, Aaron. BS.

Here is the radiator out of my '96 Silverado, @ 240,000 miles. All dexcool. Pulled after I hit a cow. Where is the "sludge"?






Now, here is the radiator out of our '05 CTS-V at ~130,000 miles, coolant hadn't yet been changed yet, tank seal started leaking. Where is the "sludge"?





Last, (for pics I have), here is my 'Vette, ~155,000 miles, 23 year old radiator, after side tank cracked. Where's the "sludge"? Where is it??






I don't have pics of this, but I ran Dex in a fleet maint program I was responsible for w/100's of vehicles; diesels, gas, big, small, you name it....never saw this "sludge", never had a coolant related issue.

Now here is the difference between my posts about dex, and post w/crap from the internet: I know the entire history of my vehicles, and my fleet vehicles. When we post up crap from the 'net...we don't know what the owner has done, what the previous owner has done....we don't know the history, all we see is a result. A result of what? We don't know.

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Originally Posted by 73n95
As I work around my 95 Coupe I'm slowly doing all the maintenance that I feel is necessary. Opening the coolant tank, I find its green. If I'm not mistaken, plain old conventional antifreeze is green. My 95 car needs Dexcool, which is orange. Is this correct? My first impression is to get it out of there ASAP. Next up, how to replace. Is it a simple matter of drain, flush and replace or do I have to do some sort of native dance as well?
Stay with the green---Dexcool cost my in-laws $1500 to replace the intake manifold gasket on their Buick.
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Originally Posted by auggy
Stay with the green---Dexcool cost my in-laws $1500 to replace the intake manifold gasket on their Buick.
The intake manifold gasket was bad...not the coolant.

$1500 for an intake gasket job?? Yikes.


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Originally Posted by auggy
Stay with the green---Dexcool cost my in-laws $1500 to replace the intake manifold gasket on their Buick.
they robed her and they replaced the maifold on 3800 engine more than likely they made them out of something that did not agree with it.
the dealer did mine for $700 then gm paid me $400 still got screwed out of $300.
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I know I've probably said this over 100 times. But I worked at Chevrolet for 10 years. From 94-04. I was there when Dexcrap coolant was introduced. I saw many blown headgaskets, blown water pumps, clogged radiators, clogged heater cores and blown aluminum water pipes in many different vehicles there. I'll never use that crap ever. My mom's Chevy Lumina with 3.1 went through many parts as her current piece of junk 03 Impala with 3.8 engine which I'll be flushing dexcrap out soon.

Just run the green stuff.
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Originally Posted by 73n95
As I work around my 95 Coupe I'm slowly doing all the maintenance that I feel is necessary. Opening the coolant tank, I find its green. If I'm not mistaken, plain old conventional antifreeze is green. My 95 car needs Dexcool, which is orange. Is this correct? My first impression is to get it out of there ASAP. Next up, how to replace. Is it a simple matter of drain, flush and replace or do I have to do some sort of native dance as well?
I'll have to go through my owners manual again, but I'm pretty sure my '95 was not spec'd out for Dexcool.
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My 96 LT4 came with Dex-Cool in it. I didn't know there was a difference between the green and red coolant until I read it here on the forum. Glad I did. I stuck with the Dex and after having the pump off a couple of times for Opti service, everything is clean as a whistle!
Don't know if it is truth or rumor but, I've heard that if you don't get it ALL out when you switch to the green, it has a chemical reaction and fills the cooling system with "jell-o *****" that clog up everything.
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Pretty sure DEXCOOL is still used in newer vehicles other than GM just saying.

Also, I've dealt with many vehicles that had DEXCOOL, yes I've seen the intake failures and such. I also noted the lack of maintenance on these vehicles. My family has owned three different vehicles with DEXCOOL. A 98 Malibu (6 years), 04 Malibu (9 years), 04 Cavalier (still owned), NONE ever had issues with DEXCOOL or cooling systems. Also they where maintained 100%. Never had air in the systems, always topped off. Flushed when called for at service intervals....

That being said, "let sleeping dogs lye" stick with the Green. Only thing I hate about it is every 2 years it needs to changed. At least is does in my Corvette and I use distilled water. Mine was changed in early 2014 and it will be again in 2016. Why?

300+mV from the coolant, that is why. If you don't know why I listed a voltage, you don't know coolant. I'll leave you all to Google search that on you own.
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