Was at a car show last night filled with new Challengers. 392 Hemi's and most seemed to have after market air boxes. There was also some new C7s. Is the new base Corvette any match for these Challengers ?

 

I suspect it depends on the distance. The Challenger is fast and powerful, but it's also heavy.

 

This stuff is incredible easy to answer for yourself;

What do Challengers run in the 1/4? There are a plethora of road tests illustrating their performance. Here is ONE: 12.8 @ 106.

What do Corvettes run in the 1/4? There are a plethora of road tests illustrating their performance. Here is ONE: 12.1 @ 117.


Looks like the 'Vette has it. By a lot. And you can look all this stuff right up, in seconds, using Google.

 

The 392 Challengers I see at the track run from high 12s to low 12s. All depends on traction (street tires vs dr's). The C7s have been running similar times with a few in the high 11s. The C7s trap a mph or two higher as well.

 

a new vet would proably eat a stock 5.7 challager for lunch but the srt with the 392 is the real deal. Id bet its a drivers race between them.

 

The best thing about the Challenger is the amount of money you spend for what you get. You could (if you can find one) buy a Scat Pak 6.4L for mid 30's to low 40's. This is basically a stripped down SRT 392 (same motor and drive train) or basically a base Challenger with a 6.4L. OR..... You could spend 70 big ones and buy a Hellcat with 707 (ish) HP. Either way that is a lot of car for not a lot of money.

 

Might be close in a straight line. But on a road course?

I would hate trying to keep up with a Corvette in a Challenger at the NCM Motorsports Park.

The Challengers advantage is I could lose with the entire family on board.

 

I agree!

It is predictable as sunrise that the "quarter mile" gets thrown up to the Vette as "THEE" be all-end all determining factor for evaluating every new "hot rock" that comes on the market.

On the other hand, maybe it is a complement to the Vette as being the one to beat - a benchmark of sorts. Well, OK I guess, cuz the Vette is no slouch in the quarter mile. But, to best a Vette in the quarter and then ptoceed to pound one's chest is to display one's gross naivity.

 

^This is funny; literally posted right below the two tests, that I posted. It's not a driver's race, it's a slaughter. 11 mph difference in trap! The 392 has 25 more hp...in a car that weighs ~1000 lbs more. Those numbers don't add up to a "driver's race".

 

Depends on your perspective; I've always felt that the Corvette should be and extrovert in all categories...drag track is one of those. For me, this was established with big block cars of the late 60's/early '70's. ZR-1 perpetuated this for me in the '90's. So I guess I'm one of those guys that feels the 'Vette should be setting the bar for 1/4 mile performance. If I had a Mustang in the '80's and managed to beat a 'Vette...I'd be pretty damn proud of myself. And yeah....I'd know that I'd lose in the corners, but I'd still be stoked that I'd have beaten a 'Vette.

 

Only the hellcats and SRT's hold value. My charger R/T dropped resale value like a hooker drops her panties.

 

I have seen it with my own eyes and know 3 guys with 392s. They consistently trap 114-116. I could care less what motorweek says. Whoever tests their cars can't drive. real world data is at the track. Here is one example:


Or read this thread:

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...-times-253945/

 

Sure...we can play THAT GAME.

I posted mag results to keep things apples to apples. Both car mags "can't drive" (none can). So, you post up forum results to beat my mag results, showing the best examples form that forum. They are fantastic...no doubt. These are even better.

The C7 Fast List
Last Updated: July 20, 2016

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Bone-Stock on Stock Tires
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Rank~~ E.T.~~ Trap~ 60'~ Driver~~~~~ M.Yr. Details
1~~~~11.372~~119.94~~1.623~wfarmer.z~~~~ '14 A6 Z51 (Post#275)
2~~~~11.377~~122.91~~1.71~brent eb02~~~~'15 A8 2Lt (Post#212)
3~~~~11.496~~118.96~~1.683~SNORMAN~~~~'1 4 A6 (Post#4)
4~~~~11.524~~119.52~~1.685~10mm~~~~~~~'1 5 A8 Z51 (Post#439)
5~~~~11.585~~120.08~~1.716~VNAMVET~~~~'1 4 A6 Z51 NPP (Post#21)
6~~~~11.630~~118.76~~1.718~Old Goat~~~~~'14 A8 Z51 NPP (Post#578)
7~~~~11.743~~119.05~~1.745~jrwood~~~~~~' 14 A6 non-z51, with NPP, Used launch control (Post# 84)
8~~~~11.813~~118.09~~1.760~only9balls~~~ ~'16 A8 Z51, 91 Octane (Post#588)
9~~~~11.823~~119.22~~1.845~pettevette~~~ ~'15 A8 ZF1, NPP, 2.41 Gears (Post#531)
10~~~~11.889~~118.31~~1.795~Fore58~~~~~~ '14 A6 Non Z51 Convertible (Post#254)
11~~~~11.924~~119.59~~1.836~jacksnorm~~~ ~'15 A8 1LT (Post#504)
12~~~~11.947~~117.17~~1.806~The Rock1~~~~'14 A6 Z51, 2LT, no NPP (Post#364)
13~~~~11.955~~119.62~~1.919~Kyle Lemish~~~~'14 M7 non Z51 and no NPP (Post#13)
14~~~~12.074~~116.79~~1.928~jb306y~~~~~~ '14 M7 Non-Z51, M7, NPP, launch control (Post# 85)
15~~~~12.077~~116.46~~1.869~bigsapper~~~ ~'16 A8 non Z51, NPP, Launch Control (Post#636)
15~~~~12.164~~116.31~~1.938~Greg Quillen~~~'14 M7 Z51, Has NPP (Post#15)
16~~~~12.217~~116.88~~1.978~nfcooper~~~~ ~'14 A6 Z51 MR NPP Track sport2, launch off idle
17~~~~12.573~~112.73~~1.996~Baron7700~~~ ~'14 M7 Z51 NPP stock tire psi. Track mode, full traction on.



As I said; it's a slaughter. Best of all though....all this data is very easily searchable. OP didn't really need to post a thread about it. Google would haven gotten him all this data, too.

 

Since we're getting off topic may as well add to it.

 

Apples to Apples? You posted 2 different magazine tests in 2 different climates during different times of year with 2 different drivers and 2 different test models. More like apples to asses.


BTW, that forum represents what the average 392 runs. Picking hero runs from this site is not a good representation of an average C7 run. C7s I see at the same track and same day as 392 Challengers run 115-118. So yes, my assessment is correct. C7s run a couple of mph faster.

I didn't post real results to beat your magazine results. 106 in a quarter for a 392 Challenger is asinine. And anybody who has seen them run would know it. It is no where near a true representation of how a Challenger runs. You took that 106 as gospel and ran with it. And it is nowhere near a slaughter. A win, yes, not a slaughter.

 

Half of those are Z51's with better axle ratios over base lol.

 

heres the truth of the matter for all you wanabes. A high 11 second car is a high 11 second car on the STRIP. Put both of them on the street with no prepped perfect track, no traction chemicals and stock tires and you magically have a couple mid 12 cars. Not on driver in 50 is capable of putting that kind of power down on a street CONSISTANTLY, especially if its a stick shift car. Ive been there and done that with lots of muscle cars. Bottom line is theres not one driver in 20 who can even do it on a strip on stock tires. Actually go to a race track and you will see. Id bet that for every high 11 either of those cars turn on the track theres 50 passes in the low 12s. It takes more then keyboard skills to turn an 11 second quarter in any car! Like I said a drivers race. Id bet you wont find to many new vet owners that are confident enough in there cars to put pink slips down against a 392 hemi or an ss Camaro. At least not anywhere but on the internet. I once saw a 392 challenger hand a hellcat its but on the street. Now put slicks and a pro driver in both and it would obviously been a different story but more 40 year old yuppies buy them then professional drag racers. If you are one of the rare ones that have went down a 1/4 mile more the a couple hundred times in cars that put down enough hp to fry the tires the whole length of a 1/8 or 1/4 mile then I apologize. But id bet even here those are few and far between. That made pretty obvious by the fact we have c4s and theres only handful of those here that even put down near that much power. Even those who actually have raced there c4 on the strip or street will have storys of how they wooped cars that were supposedly much faster then there car. WHY? because 300 hp is a ton easier to put down on the track or street then 450+ hp is. Drivers race plain and simple.

 

Having kids, it's amazing how much room the back seat of the Challenger has. Drove the R/T, SRT and Hellcat. It's a great car especially when you want to haul the family with for a cruise/show/etc.

 

Not sure how you call forum-posters results "average". That isn't typically the case (people want to brag/show off their good results in a thread like the one that you posted). In addition, many of the cars were modified -in the posts that I ready anyway. The fast list that *I* posted was box-stock cars.
Fine; I'll change my terminology; The 'Vette consistently wins by a clear margin. That better? How ever you choose to label it, a 1000 lb heavier car with only 25 more hp isn't going to be a winner, or even a "drivers race". As I said before, those numbers don't add up. The easily searchable data supports that.

 

I hear you. In that context, I agree. I'm looking at it from a different context; in these discussions, I'm assuming that we're talking about the car and what the car can do. Know what I mean? The OP was asking if the base C7 is a match for the Challenger. Car to car, it appears to be more than just a match.

But you are right; if you put a couple of average duffs in either car and let 'em have at it...it would be a mess (and anyone's guess) as to who gets to the finish first!