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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by John A. Marker
To truly flush the coolant system you need to remove the knock sensor in the block and the plug on the other side of the block. Just opening the petcock on the radiator will not clean out the block. Remove the sensor and the plug and run water thru the radiator....engine NOT running. Once you have clean water coming out the block then open the petcock on the radiator as you continue to run water thru the engine block.

Since you think you have orange coolant, look for a coolant that will mix with both orange or green...it is out there.
Are the knock sensor and the plug on opposite side threaded into the block? Or pressed in?
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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 10:00 AM
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The flush is not worth much now after the EPA got done with it just use white vinegar.
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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mjet67
Are the knock sensor and the plug on opposite side threaded into the block? Or pressed in?
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Threaded and just pinch the conector to release. I would put in new and tourqe is important 14 lbs if I remember right.

And turn your head and close your mouth when removing.

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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 09:03 PM
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Is it possible to reach the knock sensor from the top or better to get it from the bottom?
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Originally Posted by antfarmer2
Threaded and just pinch the conector to release. I would put in new and tourqe is important 14 lbs if I remember right.

And turn your head and close your mouth when removing.
lol

video yourself doing it for us.

gotta do it from below.

be double safe on your jackstand method. be rdeundant.
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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chad74
Is it possible to reach the knock sensor from the top or better to get it from the bottom?

Just took mine out tonight... from the bottom, there is a small heat shield over sensor. Heat shield is bolted to 2 of the oil pan bolts.
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Old Jan 12, 2017 | 09:25 PM
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lol

video yourself doing it for us.

gotta do it from below.

be double safe on your jackstand method. be rdeundant.

Nothing exciting to video....when I removed sensor, I was prepared for a splash, but no, was a film over the opening...had to poke with a screwdriver then the coolant started flowing.
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 10:13 AM
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BEWARE!!!!!!! Stupid question to follow
Going to flush entire coolant system. Replacing hoses, thermostat, knock sensor while I'm there. Plan is to drain the system and put new KS in and remove old thermostat and start flushing. Then when it is all clean. Put new thermostat in and replace hoses and fill system.
Now with the stupid question... Is that the correct steps or go ahead and put new hoses on before I flush?
My common sense is telling to put all new once system is clean, but my backside is saying put new on and flush because that is less that has to be cleaned (flushed).
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Chad74
BEWARE!!!!!!! Stupid question to follow
Going to flush entire coolant system. Replacing hoses, thermostat, knock sensor while I'm there. Plan is to drain the system and put new KS in and remove old thermostat and start flushing. Then when it is all clean. Put new thermostat in and replace hoses and fill system.
Now with the stupid question... Is that the correct steps or go ahead and put new hoses on before I flush?
My common sense is telling to put all new once system is clean, but my backside is saying put new on and flush because that is less that has to be cleaned (flushed).
put the clean hose on at the end. be sure to monitor the connections for a few days to make sure they're not leaking

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Nothing exciting to video....when I removed sensor, I was prepared for a splash, but no, was a film over the opening...had to poke with a screwdriver then the coolant started flowing.

this is very interesting I have never heard this. Was it a build up of scale on the inside of the block? If so good thing you're doing a flush! And it sounds like your system needs to pickle for a while in vinegar or some very strong engine flush. Antfarmer has indicated that the Prestone flush is weak. Perhaps there is another one available more commercial grade, or you can just use vinegar. But you definitely want to flush the system and flush it very very very very very well afterwards if you had scale blocking off your ks hole.

maybe your radiator has already been replaced, as I cannot see a radiator lasting if you have that much scale.


was it a film on the outside? That was pushed in when threading the knock sensor? Never heard of that before either
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 12:20 PM
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If you do not pull the knocks you will have about a gallon of undistilled water plus all the crap that settles there. It will amaze you how much you left in there.

Flush it first with the knocks in and see.

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Originally Posted by VikingTrad3r
put the clean hose on at the end. be sure to monitor the connections for a few days to make sure they're not leaking




this is very interesting I have never heard this. Was it a build up of scale on the inside of the block? If so good thing you're doing a flush! And it sounds like your system needs to pickle for a while in vinegar or some very strong engine flush. Antfarmer has indicated that the Prestone flush is weak. Perhaps there is another one available more commercial grade, or you can just use vinegar. But you definitely want to flush the system and flush it very very very very very well afterwards if you had scale blocking off your ks hole.

maybe your radiator has already been replaced, as I cannot see a radiator lasting if you have that much scale.


was it a film on the outside? That was pushed in when threading the knock sensor? Never heard of that before either
Film was on the inside, after I removed KS was on the inside of hole, could see the threads...maybe something PO put on threads before threading in KS??

Coolant drained was brown....no sign of oil of any other substance.
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mjet67
Film was on the inside, after I removed KS was on the inside of hole, could see the threads...maybe something PO put on threads before threading in KS??

Coolant drained was brown....no sign of oil of any other substance.
Hope you flushed it good with them out.
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by antfarmer2
If you do not pull the knocks you will have about a gallon of undistilled water plus all the crap that settles there. It will amaze you how much you left in there.

Flush it first with the knocks in and see.
Are saying take the knocks out each time?
I plan to flush it 2-3 times.
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Originally Posted by Chad74
Are saying take the knocks out each time?
I plan to flush it 2-3 times.

yup^^

its gets much easier.
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chad74
Are saying take the knocks out each time?
I plan to flush it 2-3 times.
Only if you want to get the crap out. Just use the old ones till your done. Leave the shields off till done.
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Something else I just thought about. I one set of drive up ramps. Would I get all the water out of the engine if I raise the front and leave the back tires on the ground?
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 08:15 PM
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One thing to beware of - make sure you correctly torque the knock sensor when reinstalling. If you over torque it, it can cause false readings and power loss. IIRC, it should be 14 ft. lbs.

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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 08:30 PM
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Something else I just thought about. I one set of drive up ramps. Would I get all the water out of the engine if I raise the front and leave the back tires on the ground?
When I did mine I took the thermostat out to do it and the final rinse was a hose in the power T and the knocks out just let run flat.
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Originally Posted by Chad74
Something else I just thought about. I one set of drive up ramps. Would I get all the water out of the engine if I raise the front and leave the back tires on the ground?

this is good. i did the same thing. leaves lots of room to get to the ks from underneath.

i jack my car up and put the ramp under each front wheel. put in park. block the rears, AND PLACE TWO JACK STANDS ON EITHER SIDE AS BACKUP.

be super redundant guys. we dont want to have anybody killed under the car. its happened. honour them by being over the top careful. RE DUN DANT supports

cheers.
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Old Jan 13, 2017 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by antfarmer2
When I did mine I took the thermostat out to do it and the final rinse was a hose in the power T and the knocks out just let run flat.
Power t??
And you let what run flat?
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