kimmer

If you live in a smog free county in ca please pm me.

PLRX

Click here for information regarding CA Smog

kimmer

I know the counties, looking for an address to use.

PLRX

A public forum is not the place to start this kind of request.

I know how this works.

You got to have a place of residence, license, and registration to match.

If you get stopped, the cop will ask why your address is different in the license and registration. I know few San Diegans that used an address from El Centro in their registration, with an SD address. They were flagged and they had to re-installed the OEM exhaust manifolds.

Stories like those are the reason I would not install long tube headers in The Ghost. Other people do the handwork every two years, but I'm not with that either. 20-50-100 horses are not worth it.

kimmer

think second home

cv67

Get a ups box...they forward you mail anywhere you want.

dmaxx3500

reg and lic in Nevada

PLRX

that's the way to do it, but I think he wants a CA address.

John A. Marker

Kimmer,

Offer still stands to make you inserts that fit into the pipe that neck down to about an inch to increase the back pressure.

Your a friend.....so no charge.

John

Z51JEFF

And I am NOT bogus smog friendly. I will turn them in every chance I get. As stated,this is not the place to be asking that question. I basically have to jump through hoops to get my bone stock 24,000 mile 91 ZR-1 to pass a how bullshit,so will everybody else. I would love to have headers on my car but won’t take a chance on getting pulled over and having the car confiscated and doing the stock manifolds mombo every 2 years ain’t gonna work either. It really pisses me off when somebody’s looking for a bogus smog,then to ask on a social forum?

Phoenix'97

I don't intend to ruin this thread but I can't believe California motor vehicle laws can not be amended with regards to long tube headers. If you can equip long tube headers designed to utilize factory emissions devices and O2 sensors, as on the stock exhaust manifolds and to equip California catalytic converters, even to bring the converter in closer to the exhaust ports by making it a bolt-on "collector" in the header, surely the laws should be amended to make this aftermarket alteration LEGAL. It would take a lot of time calling up and writing to California state legislators who represent you but if nothing is mentioned then nothing will ever be done. I live in New York and the long tube header issue is not too much of an issue as we don't have visual inspections but you MUST have your exhaust system utilizing emissions devices or else you will be held back from passing inspection. Unless you know someone who can illegally pass you but that is something I won't even go to.

John A. Marker

Phoenix'97, you must understand that this is the government and they can do what the hell they want. My friend in the Sacramento area had a 86 Vette that passed the sniffer. But during the visual....yes they LOOK, he had a adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Those of us that work on our cars know that you can use this to adjust the pressure to get the best performance and dial in the pressure for your car to get the best SMOG results also. The car does not come with an adjustable regulator and therefore they flunked his SMOG test. In order for the car to have headers, the header has to have a CARB number attached to the header. The same is true with CATS. You can have a CAT on the car to reduce emissions but if it does not have the CARB number attached, you flunk. Don't believe this about CATS, look at Summit or Jegs and you will find multiple CATS that will work on a car. But often you will find that they can and will not ship the CAT to California because it is not approved by the STATE!

The State has no leeway or flexibility nor do they intend to. Our politicians do not respond to the possibility to amend the laws.

I know exactly what is wrong with Kimmer's car. He does not have enough back pressure to operate the EGR which reduces the NOX reading. Most states do not measure NOX. If we put a restriction in the exhaust pipe it will increase the back pressure and make the EGR function properly.

Phoenix'97

How do you think new state laws are written? A single person, special interests, or groups of citizens band together and appeal to their representative to draft a bill to be considered by the state legislature. This is how the process works in our country whether you believe it works or trying is a complete waste of time. As per California law, they do not recognize the benefits of aftermarket automotive equipment and it's ability to improve emissions on vehicles it is equipped with. WELL, someone should educate California law makers and make the scientific data based case to allow for these parts to be equipped on vehicles and deemed legal to pass California automotive inspection. Surely enough pressure on law makers will result in an amendment to the current laws. You can't sit back and say I give up when the means exists to have your representative draft a bill on your behalf to get these laws amended.

Z51JEFF

You don't live in California do you? How is it possible that the State can continue to lower the MAX levels for smog regulations? The State of California could care less for the automotive hobbiest.

Phoenix'97

The case needs to be made that some aftermarket alterations to a vehicle do indeed help to cut down on emissions pollution as opposed to increasing them. With enough petitioning, with enough pressure on California state legislators, with enough factual and scientific data to prove this, the laws should be able to be changed from their 1970's era standards. Technology has improved since those days, we now have access to cleaner burning alcohol fuel if you wish to spend the additional money to use it and help bring it to the broader market, there are ways to make a higher performance vehicle MORE "emissions friendly", but there needs to be enough people demanding the amendments to the laws in California to make it happen. If you simply give up on the first try, you will have to continue to put up with outdated b.s. mandates for emissions.

belairbrian

What would be needed is enough MONEY and political influence. I lived there for 4 years and got out. The environmental lobby has way more power than the automotive enthusiasts. Add that an entire industry has been built around the emissions rules and it becomes a losing battle.

After my mandatory desert turtle rules briefing I knew I was in another world.
1) When a desert tortoise wants to cross the road all traffic must stop.
2) If you assist a tortoise across the road you must provide a bowl of water.
3) If you pick up a desert tortoise you must use 2 hands so as not to make it think your a coyote.

You can't make this stuff up.

Phoenix'97

AGAIN, if the entire automotive and aftermarket parts community in California were to come together and make a strong case that certain components can indeed reduce emissions as opposed to increasing them, contrary to what the environmental lobby claims, how can any legislators refuse to draft up the bill when they have the factual scientific data to back up the bill?

If this is a battle that the automotive and aftermarket parts community can win, why the hell would you throw in the towel without even putting up a strong fight? This is the problem in America, not enough participation in government and putting pressure on politicians so as to enable the continued b.s. that we all complain about but do NOTHING about!

pologreen1

Wait until you see the expectations/ limitations coming in 2020 if nobody stops it.

Phoenix'97

WELL, maybe a different approach is needed to make these vehicles "smog compliant" without the mandate forcing them to utilize nothing but O.E.M. components. If emissions is such a big concern in California, and even among the majority of liberal minded people, then how about a compromise where these older vehicles must produce less emissions in exchange for using aftermarket parts? The only solution to this problem being the use of bio-fuels, most notably iso-butanol.

If you can't win one way you find another way.

Z51JEFF

I’ve got a feeling that when the DICKHOLES in Sacramento start trying to
outlaw the classic car hobby then it’s going to get real. As stated and it’s only common sense the a fully restored classic car runs better and is a cleaner burning car than it was years ago. Look at it like that this,go to a Good Guys show and times that by thousands. We do love our cars and it just might be us the automotive hobbiests that gets the attention of these DICKHOLES in Sacramento. My bone stock 1991 ZR-1 at 6000 original miles in 2007 would not pass smog today, where would anybody start to look into getting a car like that to pass smog even though when it was produced it was 100% Federally smog legal as mandated by the State?