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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 04:27 PM
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Ok, I got a ticket for Exhibition of Acceleration. This was so bogus. I am filing a formal complaint against this officer. Please read and give me suggesstions.

DENTON COUNTY
CONSTABLE, PCT 2

FORMAL COMPLAINT

Date: October 9, 2002

Complainant: Allen M. Roulette

Signature: ________________________________Phone 972-370-5530

Please except this complaint against Officer Renfro regarding his disorderly conduct and actions toward me on October 9, 2002.

I was proceeding east on South Colony. I proceeded east as I passed a strip mall to the south and an officer pulling out of the area. As I drove down the street, I notice in my rear view mirror that I was being pulled over by the officer I had just passed. I immediately pulled over and as he approached the car, he asked for my ID and insurance. After providing the officer with the appropriate information her requested, I asked, “Why am I being pulled over?” He then rudely and aggressively stated, “Why don’t you tell me!” I said, “I don’t know , that’s why I asked?” I asked again, “Why am I being stopped?” He again aggressively and in a condescending manner said, “Why don’t you tell me!” I said “I didn’t know as I didn’t do anything to my knowledge.” He said, “What do you think you were doing back there?” I then said, “ I don’t know what you are talking about, I never exceeded the speed limit, I never spun my tires, I didn’t do anything.” He then said, “Well there is such a thing as excessive speed you know”. I again stated that I never exceeded the speed limit or turned my tires over and that I wasn’t driving fast. He then went back to his car. He came back from his car and asked proper pronunciation of my last name and I gave him the information he requested. He then said, “ Mr. Roulette, I was going to issue you a warning but since you have an attitude, you will be receiving a citation today” I was very surprised by the statement, and was ready to leave. I said, “If your going to give me a ticket, then please give me the ticket so I can go.” He then came back with, “Well, Mr. Roulette….how would you like to go to jail today?” I said, “I wouldn’t, I want the ticket so I can leave.” He said, “So….which one is it? Jail or a ticket?” I said again, “Please give me the ticket so I can take lunch home to my wife!” I signed the ticket and got all of his information because I was astounded that a public servant can treat someone like this.

I proceeded home and then called his supervisor, Sergeant Muse. I explained to him the incident and he said he would talk with Officer Renfro and call me back. He did speak to Officer Renfro and called me back approximately 20-30 minutes later and told me that Officer Renfro gave him a contradicting story. This is to be expected be a man with such behavior patterns. Why would he tell the truth?

I ask that this behavior not be tolerated. I am a 35-year-old business owner and resident of The Colony and Denton County and deserve to be treated better! I have never in my life spent one minute in jail, except for ministry with Bill Glass Ministries, and have a great respect for officers. Hopefully, Mr. Renfro was only having a bad day. If this is his everyday behavior, he needs to be removed as an officer of Denton County. I also believe I am owed an apology for this behavior as well.

I look forward to hearing how this is handled. Thanks
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 04:31 PM
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Three sides to every story.

“If your going to
I believe you mean you're in the above case.

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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 04:43 PM
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Please except this complaint against Officer
accept?
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 04:48 PM
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I'm sorry, but I dont need it spell checked! I did that after the rough draft.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:00 PM
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well it sounds to me like your corvette was picked out because they look fast.most officers are great and dont look for trouble,but you got a jerk.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:04 PM
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what is the definition of Exhibition of Acceleration?
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:06 PM
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I would try to find out if their department uses a dash camera. :cheers:
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:25 PM
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I would try to find out if their department uses a dash camera. :cheers:
Best way to get at least some evidence of your treatment by the officer.

Other than that - go to court over the ticket and have him explain to the judge exactly what your exhibition of speed was.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:32 PM
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KICK HIM IN THE NUTS
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:40 PM
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That's stupid. It's no Honda, it will accelerate faster than the average car. Duh, he was probably just jealous.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:43 PM
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Ok picture this: I'm on a moped at a stop light and when the light turned green and I leaned forward, hunkered down and WOT. Now would that be considered "exhibition of acceleration". That's just stupid. :mad If I were you I would take it to court, you will probably win.

I have been issued a ticket in the past for "cutting through a gas station to avoid a traffic signal" That was not what I was trying to do, I was going to get gas and saw how much it was and decided that there was no way I was going to pay that much and exited on the other side of the gas station. I took that one to court and won.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 05:48 PM
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Another typo:
After providing the officer with the appropriate information her requested

should read
After providing the officer with the appropriate information he requested
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 06:29 PM
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Was this a Colony officer or the Denton Constable? I know the Colony PD can be butt-heads at times. If you don't get the response you are looking for try the weekend driving classes if you can get them. They usually cost less than the ticket and it keeps it off your record.

As small as The Colony is, don't get to crossed up with the police. They are a small dept. and don't need much reason to hassle you. You will definately come out on the short end of that stick. I lived there when it became a city and not just another F&J development. At least then the Chief bought a 68 427 from the guy that lived behind me. :seeya
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 06:34 PM
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 06:36 PM
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I would try to find out if their department uses a dash camera. :cheers:
Best way to get at least some evidence of your treatment by the officer.

Other than that - go to court over the ticket and have him explain to the judge exactly what your exhibition of speed was.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 06:46 PM
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I was proceeding east on South Colony, and I passed a strip mall to the south as well as an officer pulling out of the area in his partol car. While driving down the street, I noticed in my rearview mirror that I was being pulled over by the officer I had just passed. I immediately pulled over and after he approached the car, he asked for my ID and insurance. I then provided the officer with the appropriate information, and I asked, “Why am I being pulled over?” He then rudely and aggressively stated, “Why don’t you tell me?!” I relpied, “I don’t know , that’s why I asked?” I then restated, “Why am I being stopped?” Again, in an aggressive and condescending manner he said, “Why don’t you tell me?!” I replied, “I don’t know, as I didn’t do anything to my knowledge.” He responded, “What do you think you were doing back there?” I then said, “ I don’t know what you are talking about, I never exceeded the speed limit, I never spun my tires; I didn’t do anything.” He then said, “Well there is such a thing as excessive speed, you know.” I again stated that I never exceeded the speed limit or turned my tires over, and that I wasn’t driving fast. He then went back to his car, and returned to ask for the proper pronunciation of my last name; I gave him the information he requested. He then said, “ Mr. Roulette, I was going to issue you a warning but since you have an attitude, you will be receiving a citation today.” I was very surprised by this statement, and ready to leave. I said, “If you're going to give me a ticket, then please give me the ticket so I can go.” He responded with, “Well, Mr. Roulette… how would you like to go to jail today?” I said, “I wouldn’t, I want the ticket so I can leave.” He said, “So….which one is it? Jail or a ticket?” I again stated, “Please give me the ticket so I can take lunch home to my wife!” I signed the ticket and took down all of his information, because I was astounded that a public servant could treat someone like this.

I proceeded home and called his supervisor, Sergeant Muse, and explained to him the incident and he said he would talk with Officer Renfro and call me back. He did speak to Officer Renfro and called me back approximately 20-30 minutes later, and told me that Officer Renfro gave him a contradicting story. This is to be expected be a man with such behavior patterns. Why would he tell the truth?

I ask that this behavior not be tolerated; I am a 35 year-old business owner, and resident of The Colony, and Denton County and deserve to be treated better! I have never in my life spent one minute in jail, except for ministry with Bill Glass Ministries, and have a great respect for officers. Hopefully, Mr. Renfro was only having a bad day. If this is his everyday behavior, he should be removed as an officer of Denton County. I also feel I am owed an apology for this behavior as well.

I look forward to hearing how this is handled. Thanks
Just an alternate version. Grammatical corrections, as well as corrections of redundancy (such as saying "said" repeatedly) are in Bold. :yesnod:

EDIT: I made a mistake correcting it :crazy: Fixed it though. :)

Also, I'd try to include a time of day in the letter where appropriate. :yesnod:


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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 08:44 PM
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Member Oldman has some very good advice further up in the thread. If the officer was a Constable that is the problem. Constables are to serve civil papers and keep order in the JP courts. They are reaching out of there authority getting into other avenues of law enforcement. This seems to be a plain case of a money making opportunity for the jurisdiction. There are two Contable jurisdiction that just got some bad press here in Dallas County. They even did a calender of some Constables in swat gear with helmets and masks. The Count Commissioners are even embarrassed about them. Plead your case jsut as Oldman says.


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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 10:01 PM
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"Kick him in the nutz" thats funnie!
But it wont help.
Theres two sides to every story. Yours and the cops. Yours don't count!
I filed a formal complaint against a CHP officer. Guess what my story didn't count? Hard to believe aint it?
The Officer investigating the complaint said, "its the cops word against yours". "Your word is just as good as the cops", "but we don't know you".
"Were gunna take the officers word in this case". Surprize, surprize.

But the complaint goes on the cops record even if they don't believe you.
I'd take it to court. A police officer has to tell why he stopped you. Its police policy (probable cause).

Arguing with a cop is a waste of time.
The best approach is to treat the officer the way you'd want to be treated.
The cops get poopie all the time, it gets old.
Everybody hates the CHP till they run out of gas in the middle of no-where.
They do a lot more than write tickets.

"Kick um in the nuts" thats really funnie. :lol:
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