LT4 Motor Value?
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If you go out on eBay and do a search on 1996 Corvette, then filter it down on manual transmissions, there are quite a few that people thought were going to escalate way above purchase price. Now they are sitting on cars that are 22 years old. Have only a couple thousand miles on them and haven't been enjoyed and if you look at what the asking price is, they actually have cost the people money.
Keeping a C4 stock is just not worth it in today's day and age.
Keeping a C4 stock is just not worth it in today's day and age.
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Here ya go....Merriam Webster must not have been a car guy....
Although laymen often use the words "motor" and "engine" interchangeably, from a technical point of view, an engine uses fuel to create heat that it converts into motion, while a motor uses electricity to produce motion. Historically, an engine is technically any machine that converts energy into force, such as a catapult, according to Reference.com.
An automobile generally has one engine but several motors. Examples of motors in a car include the starter, wiper motor, fuel pump and heater fan motor. The engine burns fuel, typically gasoline, to propel the vehicle forward. As the engine turns, it also powers the generator that charges the battery, which provides the power required for the various motors in the vehicle. However, the engine remains the prime mover of the vehicle as it drives.
Wikipedia attributes the confusion between motors to the early days of the automobile. To distinguish the new internal combustion engine from the older steam engine, the name "motorcar" became popular for the vehicle.
Here ya go....Merriam Webster must not have been a car guy....
Although laymen often use the words "motor" and "engine" interchangeably, from a technical point of view, an engine uses fuel to create heat that it converts into motion, while a motor uses electricity to produce motion. Historically, an engine is technically any machine that converts energy into force, such as a catapult, according to Reference.com.
An automobile generally has one engine but several motors. Examples of motors in a car include the starter, wiper motor, fuel pump and heater fan motor. The engine burns fuel, typically gasoline, to propel the vehicle forward. As the engine turns, it also powers the generator that charges the battery, which provides the power required for the various motors in the vehicle. However, the engine remains the prime mover of the vehicle as it drives.
Wikipedia attributes the confusion between motors to the early days of the automobile. To distinguish the new internal combustion engine from the older steam engine, the name "motorcar" became popular for the vehicle.
Last edited by 81c3; Nov 3, 2018 at 04:43 PM.
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Seeing as your engine has over 100K on it, for a performance build you probably will be replacing timing chain, lifters and other components. With that said, the LT4 engine assembly could fund a lot of those parts. If you started with a 2 bolt main block, you could have splayed bolt 4 bolt main caps installed, new cam bearings and the block bored. Other than the 4 bolt -vs- 2 bolt mains, from what I have read, the blocks are the same. It is the crank, cam, heads, timing chain, rocker arms and intake that are different in the LT4 -vs- LT1 engines (Corvette LT1's).
Selling the LT4 as a whole could net back enough to help defray the cost.
ALSO be aware, that since it is an LT4, hence a 1996, if you are going to stick with the stock computer, you will have an issue finding people that can tune it and have the interface to do so. The 1996's are a 1 yr step child as far as Corvettes are concerned. It is the first year of the OBDII interface.
Do a search on Jet box here on the forum and do some reading about what is required to tune the 1996 computer.
Selling the LT4 as a whole could net back enough to help defray the cost.
ALSO be aware, that since it is an LT4, hence a 1996, if you are going to stick with the stock computer, you will have an issue finding people that can tune it and have the interface to do so. The 1996's are a 1 yr step child as far as Corvettes are concerned. It is the first year of the OBDII interface.
Do a search on Jet box here on the forum and do some reading about what is required to tune the 1996 computer.
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My bad then. Carry on with the hilarity. Guess we've all seen this thing go south too many times.
For me, the argument goes much farther back. To my ex-father-in-law.
He said a motor was something attached to an engine. I told him he was putting his motor oil in the wrong hole. Well, not in so many words. lol.
I recognize the logic for the difference, but when you get people in the mix things tend to bend.
As a model aviator, I fly helicopters, fixed wing and quad copters. There are Quads, Septas, and Octas too. All very different beasts. The public only knows any of these as "drones".
For me, the argument goes much farther back. To my ex-father-in-law.
He said a motor was something attached to an engine. I told him he was putting his motor oil in the wrong hole. Well, not in so many words. lol.
I recognize the logic for the difference, but when you get people in the mix things tend to bend.
As a model aviator, I fly helicopters, fixed wing and quad copters. There are Quads, Septas, and Octas too. All very different beasts. The public only knows any of these as "drones".
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It's difficult to make money buying and selling a Corvette unless you have experience. Usually you discover most of the stuff that needs fixing after you get it home. The second mistake is estimating how much money you will have in it afterwards.
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My bad then. Carry on with the hilarity. Guess we've all seen this thing go south too many times.
For me, the argument goes much farther back. To my ex-father-in-law.
He said a motor was something attached to an engine. I told him he was putting his motor oil in the wrong hole. Well, not in so many words. lol.
I recognize the logic for the difference, but when you get people in the mix things tend to bend.
As a model aviator, I fly helicopters, fixed wing and quad copters. There are Quads, Septas, and Octas too. All very different beasts. The public only knows any of these as "drones".
For me, the argument goes much farther back. To my ex-father-in-law.
He said a motor was something attached to an engine. I told him he was putting his motor oil in the wrong hole. Well, not in so many words. lol.
I recognize the logic for the difference, but when you get people in the mix things tend to bend.
As a model aviator, I fly helicopters, fixed wing and quad copters. There are Quads, Septas, and Octas too. All very different beasts. The public only knows any of these as "drones".
For me, when I attended Denver Automotive & Diesel College for their Master Technician Program,,,,,, way back in 91....I had a class called "Engine Class".... If any of us ever said motor, in place of engine, Mr. Winikus ( I remember him vividly) would go nuts!! I guess it just stuck with me.... A motor to me, is something requiring electricity to make power. An engine, makes its own power with no outside power needed. With the exception of a starter motor (which needs a 12v battery to make power on its own) to get the engine started....
Obviously, I understand that many people use the term motor interchangeably with engine.... just always makes me think of Mr. W
Last edited by 81c3; Nov 4, 2018 at 11:10 AM.
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Something I find interesting though, is, that people will call an engine a motor.... but I don't think I've ever heard people call a motor an engine.... Like one wouldn't say my "starter engine failed" or " I have a bad wiper engine"....
For me, when I attended Denver Automotive & Diesel College for their Master Technician Program,,,,,, way back in 91....I had a class called "Engine Class".... If any of us ever said motor, in place of engine, Mr. Winikus ( I remember him vividly) would go nuts!! I guess it just stuck with me.... A motor to me, is something requiring electricity to make power. An engine, makes its own power with no outside power needed. With the exception of a starter motor (which needs a 12v battery to make power on its own) to get the engine started....
Obviously, I understand that many people use the term motor interchangeably with engine.... just always makes me think of Mr. W
For me, when I attended Denver Automotive & Diesel College for their Master Technician Program,,,,,, way back in 91....I had a class called "Engine Class".... If any of us ever said motor, in place of engine, Mr. Winikus ( I remember him vividly) would go nuts!! I guess it just stuck with me.... A motor to me, is something requiring electricity to make power. An engine, makes its own power with no outside power needed. With the exception of a starter motor (which needs a 12v battery to make power on its own) to get the engine started....
Obviously, I understand that many people use the term motor interchangeably with engine.... just always makes me think of Mr. W
I haven't had an engine in any of my model aircraft for years. All brushless motors. Still haven't figured out where to put the motor oil in 'em.
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Something I find interesting though, is, that people will call an engine a motor.... but I don't think I've ever heard people call a motor an engine.... Like one wouldn't say my "starter engine failed" or " I have a bad wiper engine"....
For me, when I attended Denver Automotive & Diesel College for their Master Technician Program,,,,,, way back in 91....I had a class called "Engine Class".... If any of us ever said motor, in place of engine, Mr. Winikus ( I remember him vividly) would go nuts!! I guess it just stuck with me.... A motor to me, is something requiring electricity to make power. An engine, makes its own power with no outside power needed. With the exception of a starter motor (which needs a 12v battery to make power on its own) to get the engine started....
Obviously, I understand that many people use the term motor interchangeably with engine.... just always makes me think of Mr. W
For me, when I attended Denver Automotive & Diesel College for their Master Technician Program,,,,,, way back in 91....I had a class called "Engine Class".... If any of us ever said motor, in place of engine, Mr. Winikus ( I remember him vividly) would go nuts!! I guess it just stuck with me.... A motor to me, is something requiring electricity to make power. An engine, makes its own power with no outside power needed. With the exception of a starter motor (which needs a 12v battery to make power on its own) to get the engine started....
Obviously, I understand that many people use the term motor interchangeably with engine.... just always makes me think of Mr. W
Last edited by JBPC4; Nov 4, 2018 at 05:47 PM.
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Another thing to consider is to think outside of the English language and actually outside of American English. In most western languages the word engine doesn't even exist. It's called a motor, with this very same spelling too or slight variations of the spelling. Such as the Italian Motore.
German: Motor
Dutch: Motor
Spanish: Motor
Portuguese: Motor
Swedish: Motor
Danish: Motor
Norwegian. Motor
Finish: Motor
Italian: Motore
French: Moteur
Finish: Moottori
But you don't need to go outside of the English language to find the word Motor widely used when referring to and Engine. The world motor is widely used in other English speaking countries besides the USA as well. Motor is most definitely correct.
It's a pretty universal word too.
German: Motor
Dutch: Motor
Spanish: Motor
Portuguese: Motor
Swedish: Motor
Danish: Motor
Norwegian. Motor
Finish: Motor
Italian: Motore
French: Moteur
Finish: Moottori
But you don't need to go outside of the English language to find the word Motor widely used when referring to and Engine. The world motor is widely used in other English speaking countries besides the USA as well. Motor is most definitely correct.
It's a pretty universal word too.
Last edited by Zak2018; Nov 5, 2018 at 06:02 AM.
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I'm confused.
Why would you sell this stuff again?
What year car?
C3 LT1 and c4 LT1 are very different. (Yes my lt1's are incorrect)
The 96 LT4 is a hopped up LT1 essentially. You can go down a rabbit hole breaking parts down, but it is what it is.
BTW and most importantly a 383+ci lt1/lt4 will make 425-500chp depending on heads and tune.
Just build it, don't sell it, or sell the whole motor as a unit and be done with it.
FWIW your stock LT4 with a serious cam, heads, headers ,injectors and tune can make 425chp on a dyno. Over and over for decades now.
Why would you sell this stuff again?
What year car?
C3 LT1 and c4 LT1 are very different. (Yes my lt1's are incorrect)
The 96 LT4 is a hopped up LT1 essentially. You can go down a rabbit hole breaking parts down, but it is what it is.
BTW and most importantly a 383+ci lt1/lt4 will make 425-500chp depending on heads and tune.
Just build it, don't sell it, or sell the whole motor as a unit and be done with it.
FWIW your stock LT4 with a serious cam, heads, headers ,injectors and tune can make 425chp on a dyno. Over and over for decades now.
Last edited by pologreen1; Nov 5, 2018 at 11:25 AM.