I've been considering this upgrade for my. 92, what do people who have these think about them? What's the good and bad on them? It sounds like the install is sort of a pain?

 

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And I'd like to know if it gets you the same "rifle bolt" feel as say, a Pro5.0 in a T5?

 

Love it. Have both the hurst and also the Core. Chris initially designed the shifter and then sold the design to hurst. After production stopped, he created the core shifter.

To me the B&M was way to notchy and took much more effort. The ZF doc shifter feels good as well. No excessive force required to navigate.

The Hurst/Core has nice positive feel and the throws are pretty good. You don’t feel like you are going to slam your fist into the radio like you do with the stock shifter.

 

Constantly turn on my radio grabbing 3rd this way...

 

I contemplated a Core shifter but wanted the plunger in place for locking out reverse on my 91. I went with a ZF Doc shortened shifter which keeps the lockout. If you’re going to keep the car for a long time, I’d recommend this route, ZF Doc can also source the other parts for a full rebuild/refresh of the assembly the shortened shifter attaches to.

All the bushings were worn out in my assembly. The factory shifter was a little wobbly even after being put into a gear. You could grab the shifter and wiggle it side to side a fair amount. With the new bushings in place, the short shifter feels solidly in gear and there’s not loose side to side play. That might sound like a weird thing to be concerned with but it’s the feel of the shift from start to finish, that last part of the gear change that feels solid and precise because of the refreshed assembly.

It felt notchy at first but that’s because I was used to the long, rubbery throw of the factory shifter and worn out bushings. Now that I’m familiar with it, the shifter just slots into whatever gear I’m after. If I had to describe it, it feels like it’s mounted directly into the transmission now, not on the side of It in a rubber boot if that makes sense.

 

I agree; had ZF doc do this on my 96; one of the best mods / repairs dollar per dollar. As noted, ZF doc can rebuilt the entire shifter mechanism, and it makes all the difference. With Hurst you get a steel rod. period.

 

From my understanding the Hurst/Core is a slight improvement over stock. The ZF is a bit shorter and then there is the B&M.

I love my B&M... good info here.

 

Hurst/ZF is a great piece love it
Have the B and M on my T56 I hate it. Sometimes fine other times nothcy even thought it had to be rebuilt..didnt
Drove a ZF with one on it same thing.

 

Got mine from Core-Shifters. I absolutely would not go back. It's easily the best QoL mod I've done to my '94 aside from the 1-4 delete which I did shortly before.

I'll also note that yes, it does remove the reverse lock out but it's never been a problem. Yes, you can technically go past the 5th gate when shifting but since 6th is right below 5th, there's not really any chance of you accidentally shifting into reverse from 5th. Give it a few days and you won't even go past 5th anymore and it'll all feel natural.

 

Personal preference maybe, I love how notchy mine is, grip and rip. You don't miss, you can't miss it feels like. Makes the factory shifter feel like stirring a paint can IMO.

Let's all be honest, a shift doesn't actually do much for performance. It is more about feel and confidence for a driver mod. You need a shifter that has the feel YOU like and you are confident in.

 

It does if you get "rejected" by the synchros due to lack of leverage.

But I get what you're saying; if you make the shift, it isn't going to matter if the shift throw is 6" long, or 4.5" long, from a time lapse perspective....all the time is in the clutch pump, no matter what shifter you have.

 

I am somewhat interested in getting rid of the lockout. It has gotten o the point now where I find it more annoying than useful. I can't think of a situation where I'm. Going to be shifting so quickly I accidentally put it into reverse vs 6th, 6th is a cruising gear so I typically am fairly slow in that shift.

​​​​​​The idea of rebuilding it with new bushings does sound appealing too, mine isn't sloppy, but new bushings couldn't hurt after 25 years and 130k miles.

 

Exactly, and you will probably miss less shifts with something you are comfortable with, or you will be comfortable with what you don't miss shifts with.