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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 08:33 AM
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Trade a very nice ‘98 with many options w/39000 miles totally stock - for a ‘96 Base LT4 w/55000 miles With an after market radio.
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An even trade? No. The 2nd gen LT4 is inferior to the LS1 and parts are hard to come by.
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An even trade? No. The 2nd gen LT4 is inferior to the LS1 and parts are hard to come by.
no way even trade - I expect at least a couple thousand in my pocket
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 08:57 AM
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If the C4 is well maintained and documented, I would be inclined to make the trade. All depends on which car you enjoy driving more. I've been in both and while the C5 has it's perks, I prefer the raw feel of the C4.
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
An even trade? No. The 2nd gen LT4 is inferior to the LS1 and parts are hard to come by.
Apples vs. oranges... Two significantly different cars in terms of handling characteristics - both have their appeal. Power wise, 330 vs 345 isn't that different, and parts wise there is NO ISSUE with finding parts for the SBCs, (tho the LS motors are in vogue now and do have tremendous support).

Many ppl have ventured into the C5 and C6 game, only to return in favor of the unique road feel and feedback - just prefer the feel of the C4s better.

So, I'd suggest you drive each and you decide which fits you better! Both have their pros and cons!
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 09:01 AM
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Without a doubt yes. Those LT4s are known to be faster than the c5. Plus they driver better, look better, the only downside is they're a bit less of a comfortable car.
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 09:29 AM
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I should add - I’ve owned : C3 (78), C4 (94), C5 (98,03), C6 (08) - all automatics - I guess my main concern is lack of knowledge of the LT4 and having a manual transmission again after nearly 10 years - I only drive maybe 500 miles a month - 70 years old with back and left leg issues.
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I have a lightly modded '99 and a '96 LT4.

They are different cars. They are about a tie in a drag race. The C4 feels like a sports car while the C5 feels like a fast Monte Carlo. I think the seats are better in the C4. The C5 has more foot room, more cargo space, and an easier top to remove. And a lot of other differences.

The C4 is the car I prefer.

The only thing that matters is which you prefer. You need to drive both and see in which one you have a bigger smile.

Good luck with your choice.

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Originally Posted by QCVette
I have a lightly modded '99 and a '96 LT4.

They are different cars. They are about a tie in a drag race. The C4 feels like a sports car while the C5 feels like a fast Monte Carlo. I think the seats are better in the C4. The C5 has more foot room, more cargo space, and an easier top to remove. And a lot of other differences.

The C4 is the car I prefer.

The only thing that matters is which you prefer. You need to drive both and see in which one you have a bigger smile.

Good luck with your choice.
question: how’s the clutch pedal pressure compare between the C4 and the C5
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question: how’s the clutch pedal pressure compare between the C4 and the C5
To be honest, I never noticed it or thought about it. I guess that means they are probably pretty similar.

What I do notice on mine is that my C5 engages closer to the floor (which is a stretch for my short legs), and needs a little more control to engage from a stop. I think the difference might be the LS1 flywheel is lighter than the LT4 flywheel, so the LT4 is easier to modulate.

In short, probably not much difference.
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
The 2nd gen LT4 is inferior to the LS1 and parts are hard to come by.
This is completely and utterly false in every single conceivable way. The LT4 is not inferior to the first-gen LS1 (GM reported numbers that said it was, but dyno testing proved this was false). And it's just as easy to get parts for an LT1/LT4 as it is an LS. Now, if you mean aftermarket, then sure, I'll give you that the LS has more crazy aftermarket stuff for it. But if we're talking maintenance, it's a wash.

Anyways, if the guy's serious about a trade, I'd just drive the C4 around for a bit. That should be fair. See what you think. The C5 will be easier to get in and out of on a daily basis, that's for sure, but it all depends on your personal preference which chassis you'll find better.
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
An even trade? No. The 2nd gen LT4 is inferior to the LS1 and parts are hard to come by.
You have/had a LT4?
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 11:52 AM
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You have/had a LT4?
I had an LT1 in a 96 impala ss. There were a couple of problems with the 2nd gen design that I didn't like. 1) optispark distributor. Why they didn't go with coil on plug I'll never know, but that was the #1 source of problems on the motor. Compound that with the fact that any optispark you buy today is going to be rebuilt, not new. They make new rotor caps, but not the optical sensors. 2) the water pump. For whatever reason, the shaft seal on the water pump had a tendency to fail. After 3 or 4 water pumps, I finally solved that one by installing an electric water pump.

The third issue isn't really relevant here since the OP is looking for stock, but aftermarket support for the 2nd gen sucks. Not the aftermarket's fault, the engine was only around for what, 3-4 years?
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Here it is, the inferior Gen2 LTx based engine

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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by drcook
Here it is, the inferior Gen2 LTx based engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DDswtLUhdM
Are you sure you want to go there? The guy in the video says he's running twin turbos at 20 lbs of boost to make 900 hp on a built motor. Those aren't great numbers for an LS based engine.
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Old Nov 3, 2020 | 12:51 PM
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I'd do it, but @70 with back and knee issues I'd say you shouldn't do it, I'm 29 and I nor my wife enjoy getting out of the car.
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
I had an LT1 in a 96 impala ss. There were a couple of problems with the 2nd gen design that I didn't like. 1) optispark distributor. Why they didn't go with coil on plug I'll never know, but that was the #1 source of problems on the motor. Compound that with the fact that any optispark you buy today is going to be rebuilt, not new. They make new rotor caps, but not the optical sensors. 2) the water pump. For whatever reason, the shaft seal on the water pump had a tendency to fail. After 3 or 4 water pumps, I finally solved that one by installing an electric water pump.

The third issue isn't really relevant here since the OP is looking for stock, but aftermarket support for the 2nd gen sucks. Not the aftermarket's fault, the engine was only around for what, 3-4 years?
The b body lt1 leaves like 100hp on the table vs LT4. Not arguing but it's kinda hard to say LT4 is less than ls1 stock for stock. My LT4 put out 530hp n/a after a rebuild. I absolutely love the look on c5 & c6 drivers faces as I gap them.
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Not the aftermarket's fault, the engine was only around for what, 3-4 years?
6 years
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The b body lt1 leaves like 100hp on the table vs LT4. Not arguing but it's kinda hard to say LT4 is less than ls1 stock for stock. My LT4 put out 530hp n/a after a rebuild. I absolutely love the look on c5 & c6 drivers faces as I gap them.
Yeah, AFTER the rebuild. Stock for stock, the B-body LT1 was down 70 hp to the LT4. After a rebuild, it was superior to the LT4 because the B-body's 2-bolt block could be drilled for splayed main caps, and AFR heads fit everybody the same.

My impala was running 12's on the stock short block, mild Crane cam and ported stock heads.
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I am old with many of the old age physical issues but getting in and out of a C4 is only at most 10 seconds of “work”. I will gladly endure that short amount of time to sit in a great feeling cockpit for the drives in my C4s. It simply feels like a sports car, handling well with great feedback, and fast enough to keep me paying attention. I still do all the work on my cars, have never had an Opti problem, have to occasionally track down some obscure parts, but would not have it any other way. If I get to the point were I cannot get in and out of a C4 I probably shouldn’t be driving any year Corvette.

But to the original question, buy what YOU like, not what someone else recommends.
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