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Old Apr 29, 2021 | 03:10 PM
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lmao, hell no ...i bought it to drive it and enjoy it....i get asked all the time about “aren’t you worried about mileage on it” my response “ didn’t buy it to impress no one but myself and i use what i buy , no garage queen here...

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They were sold new to be dailys why not? Better to drive it every chance you get than wait for Sunday and worry about the odometer, man thats work. lol
Most that have them as hobby cars might put what, 1k-2k a yr? Come sale time after 5 yrs i cant see where the cars value would be any different. Not life changing $

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Damn. When you mentioned showing your car some love, I thought you were one of those people the parts people warned me about becoming and didn't want to take it to a car wash because it had to be handled with the finest kid gloves.

When I got it first, they were asking "You're not going to be one of those people are you?". I wasn't sure what they meant. So they asked if I was going to need the "I love my Corvette" key chains, socks and get the cross flags tattooed on my dick.
Hey, dammit, they told me the tattoo was MANDATORY!!! Damn I’m pissed now$&&&&!
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They were sold new to be dailys why not? Better to drive it every chance you get than wait for Sunday and worry about the odometer, man thats work. lol
Most that have them as hobby cars might put what, 1k-2k a yr? Come sale time after 5 yrs i cant see where the cars value would be any different. Not life changing $
They were sold to be dailies, rain or shine, etc. It is the owner that decided to make it living creature with feelings and all that.
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Hey, dammit, they told me the tattoo was MANDATORY!!! Damn I’m pissed now$&&&&!
Did it feel good when they needled it on?
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They were sold to be dailies, rain or shine, etc. It is the owner that decided to make it living creature with feelings and all that.
ren’t you worried about mileage on it”
I find both truly bizarre..not like its some 69 ZL-1 museum car. Heck Id put a fan shroud on one and do the same thing
They are just cars thats it!! Somewhere on a forum someones afraid to put 10 miles on their 74 Pinto runabout. Weird.
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Old Apr 30, 2021 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cv67
I find both truly bizarre..not like its some 69 ZL-1 museum car. Heck Id put a fan shroud on one and do the same thing
They are just cars thats it!! Somewhere on a forum someones afraid to put 10 miles on their 74 Pinto runabout. Weird.
Yes but go look at some of the posts people make. You would swear that they were young kids again where they discuss fairy tales about the trees or house talking but in this case, the car likes this or that or in this case, nobody, not even a car wash can touch the car. Like you and I would say, it's a car. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't like or ask for anything, it has no feelings like a cat or dog, it is an object.
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Like probably many of us I look often at different venues for used C-4's for sale to see what the market is like, but not because I'm hoping to make a profit, because I found it interesting seeing the pricing differences in different regions and some of the sales pitches being made by sellers. The common lines like, "never seen rain" and "always garaged". I bought mine because it's fun to drive. The biggest mistake I ever did was when i put Summer tires on my 91 and couldn't drive it on cold days even when the day otherwise was beautiful. I didn't repeat that mistake with my 95.

Some may disagree, but it's just a car, a fun car, but a old fun car.
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Here’s a good one for ya... today i went to go for a ride being laid up with surgery last Thursday, and as i go down to the shop my 20 yr nephew pulled in with his buddy and i said what you guys up too he said here to see if i could steal your car...i laughed and said no problem go enjoy it bud, would’ve gave anything for my uncle to do that with his 78 pace car growing up for me,...so yeah just a car bottom line and when you can bring joy to a nephew for the experience you never got growing up , to me priceless....just a fun piece of equipment most don’t understand
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Originally Posted by CorvetteRules
Like probably many of us I look often at different venues for used C-4's for sale to see what the market is like, but not because I'm hoping to make a profit, because I found it interesting seeing the pricing differences in different regions and some of the sales pitches being made by sellers. The common lines like, "never seen rain" and "always garaged". I bought mine because it's fun to drive. The biggest mistake I ever did was when i put Summer tires on my 91 and couldn't drive it on cold days even when the day otherwise was beautiful. I didn't repeat that mistake with my 95.

Some may disagree, but it's just a car, a fun car, but a old fun car.
I doubt it will, in our lifetime, be much more than an old car. I really doubt it will appreciate much if adjusted for inflation. I look at my car MSRP and it is reasonable when compared to a new car today when you adjust for inflation. Yes, the sales pitches are really interesting. It is like me describing the bridge I have for sale. One owner, slightly used and well maintained.
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Here’s a good one for ya... today i went to go for a ride being laid up with surgery last Thursday, and as i go down to the shop my 20 yr nephew pulled in with his buddy and i said what you guys up too he said here to see if i could steal your car...i laughed and said no problem go enjoy it bud, would’ve gave anything for my uncle to do that with his 78 pace car growing up for me,...so yeah just a car bottom line and when you can bring joy to a nephew for the experience you never got growing up , to me priceless....just a fun piece of equipment most don’t understand
I personally don't like to lend my stuff out especially for joyrides. My truck and C4 are both modified so if I had to claim insurance, it might be more cumbersome. Also, since they are modified, it is more difficult if things break to get it fixed. Besides, I had lent stuff out to people who ride it hard and put it away wet and when things are broken, nobody seems to know how it happened or if it even happened during their time of possession. "Wasn't it always like that?" or "It was fine when I returned it." kinda left a sour taste in my mouth after a few times for letting you play with my things unless I am dead certain you are able AND willing to "you broke it, you bought it". It's always fun till something breaks and then, you eat it or we both get uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by CorvetteRules
Like probably many of us I look often at different venues for used C-4's for sale to see what the market is like, but not because I'm hoping to make a profit, because I found it interesting seeing the pricing differences in different regions and some of the sales pitches being made by sellers. The common lines like, "never seen rain" and "always garaged". I bought mine because it's fun to drive. The biggest mistake I ever did was when i put Summer tires on my 91 and couldn't drive it on cold days even when the day otherwise was beautiful. I didn't repeat that mistake with my 95.

Some may disagree, but it's just a car, a fun car, but a old fun car.
No. It wasn’t a mistake to summer tires on your ‘91. It is always summer in south Louisiana - where it resides now!!!

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And low mileage summer tires at that.
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I daily drove a '93 for four years back in the aughts. I loved that thing (my first Vette), but thought the C5 would make a bit better DD (and then C6 and then C7 -- and so it goes)

Just sold my very solid C7 daily driver to take advantage of what appears to be a major market bubble for those things; looking to take delivery of a C8 in October.

What to do in the interim? Why not buy a C4 for less than 1/4 of the price of my C7, DD it for 6 months, then sell it for a bit less than I paid?

Found a clean '95 coupe with only 57K miles. Seems solid as can be; maybe a few very minor projects. Polo Green over tan. I'm happy -- but am I nuts?

A couple pix below from last night when I got it home. The shakedown cruise from the dealer's store was great. A bit of rain now and then. They don't melt.


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Just sold my very solid C7 daily driver to take advantage of what appears to be a major market bubble for those things; looking to take delivery of a C8 in October.

A couple pix below from last night when I got it home. The shakedown cruise from the dealer's store was great. A bit of rain now and then. They don't melt.

I'm not sure I understand the bubble thing. The C8 is a rather different animal than a C7 so why would it be so much better to sell it? I would think that with the C8, I might not want a C7 and dump it for the C8 and thus a buyer might also be hesitant? Isn't this the time to buy a C7? What am I missing? Not a rebuke but honestly thinking about buying a C7 or C6 but if the C7 is that expensive, I might as well pony up a few bucks more and get the C8.

For some people, it gets dirty and they have a fit. They don't melt but they might let water in. I have been to 3 Corvette shops and they have tried. Nothing has worked yet and I have given up getting it sealed. In a car wash? Forget it. Just have towels handy.

Why is that antenna up? If it has an erection for more than 4 hours, you should seek medical advice.
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I'm not sure I understand the bubble thing. Today I sold my C7 for $4,300 MORE than I paid for it 28 months and 19K miles ago. THAT is a "bubble." The C8 is a rather different animal than a C7 So I'm told. That's why I have one on order -- but to get it at MSRP I gotta wait another 6 months. I don't expect C7 prices to remain anywhere near where they are today -- so why lose money in the interim? so why would it be so much better to sell it? I would think that with the C8, I might not want a C7 and dump it for the C8 and thus a buyer might also be hesitant? Isn't this the time to buy a C7? What am I missing? Not a rebuke but honestly thinking about buying a C7 or C6 but if the C7 is that expensive, I might as well pony up a few bucks more and get the C8. It's more than "a few more bucks." C7's are awesome -- superb daily drivers -- and if you must have a manual than forget a C8.

For some people, it gets dirty and they have a fit. They don't melt but they might let water in. I have been to 3 Corvette shops and they have tried. Nothing has worked yet and I have given up getting it sealed. In a car wash? Forget it. Just have towels handy. My last C4 did not leak, even in the car wash. Car wash did micro-scratch the paint, though. Never again This one seems watertight as well. Are your seals bad?

Why is that antenna up? Common ailment. The mast gets stuck, usually stripped teeth on the belt or the motor. I might fix it, I might not. If it has an erection for more than 4 hours, you should seek medical advice.
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Today I sold my C7 for $4,300 MORE than I paid for it 28 months and 19K miles ago. THAT is a "bubble." The C8 is a rather different animal than a C7 So I'm told. That's why I have one on order -- but to get it at MSRP I gotta wait another 6 months. I don't expect C7 prices to remain anywhere near where they are today -- so why lose money in the interim?

It's more than "a few more bucks." C7's are awesome -- superb daily drivers -- and if you must have a manual than forget a C8.

My last C4 did not leak, even in the car wash. Car wash did micro-scratch the paint, though. Never again This one seems watertight as well. Are your seals bad?

Common ailment. The mast gets stuck, usually stripped teeth on the belt or the motor. I might fix it, I might not.
That is really interesting and unexpected. I usually assumed that when the new one came, people would be dumping the old one to get the new one and thus prices go down. Don't know. Maybe you bought it from a person more motivated to sell or you chose a good time to buy and a better time to sell. I only did that once when I bought a Jetski in November and sold it a year later in March. Kinda why I am looking at the
C7 to see what makes more sense to upgrade to. C5, C6 or C7. At some point, the motor will break or if I get enough out of it, I might upgrade to a better car.

I am the opposite. I MUST have an auto. I had a manual, will not be tracking it so not really wanting to buy one and the wife won't be able to drive it so auto or pass.

I had the shop replace the seals twice, adjust the windows and another shop to adjust the windows and yet another. It still leaks in the car wash or has drops when you drive it in the rain. I kinda gave up and accepted it as a leaking car. Every Corvette shop I have been to will tell me "I will try but can't guarantee it won't leak." Even if it is a brushed one, it leaks. High pressure touchless one? Forget it. You are getting wet with the spray.

Figured. At one point, I wanted to patch up the hole and use a different antenna. One that is newer and doesn't have any moving parts and supposedly is amplified. Saw the cost of the bodywork and figured that if I was running out the clock with this car waiting to upgrade, probably not worth it to dump a bunch of money into body work..
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That is really interesting and unexpected. I usually assumed that when the new one came, people would be dumping the old one to get the new one and thus prices go down.
Under normal conditions this would be correct, but used cars across the board have jumped in price because of the unavailability of new cars in the market. There is a significant shortage of semiconductors that are shutting down vehicle assembly plants. This, perhaps, could be traced to the Covid crisis in 2 ways. First, the semi-conductor manufacturers have reduced production over the past year due to their own workforce Covid issues, and second, the trend to "work-at-home" has accelerated the production of communication and other office equipment (computers, tablets, cell phones, etc) over vehicle usage of semi-conductors (which likely have much lower margins).

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They are great, I drove my 95 as a DD and only car from 96 to 2010, about 130k miles.
Did H/C/I at 100k in around 2003. bunch of other mods along the way, only regular repairs like water pumps, batteries, tires, shocks, window motor, headlight repairs, seat lumbar repairs, antenna, clutch, brake pads, etc. Nothing major like the trans, or engine, expect a broken valve spring once, but it was a damn beehive CompCams spring after I did the H/C.

Caveat: I would not recommend for a long distance commute, or one with a lot of stops where you need to get in/out a lot (like outside sales).
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Under normal conditions this would be correct, but used cars across the board have jumped in price because of the unavailability of new cars in the market. There is a significant shortage of semiconductors that are shutting down vehicle assembly plants. This, perhaps, could be traced to the Covid crisis in 2 ways. First, the semi-conductor manufacturers have reduced production over the past year due to their own workforce Covid issues, and second, the trend to "work-at-home" has accelerated the production of communication and other office equipment (computers, tablets, cell phones, etc) over vehicle usage of semi-conductors (which likely have much lower margins).
I think we are also seen the effects of "good old days" for my generation, millenials. We are overall finally starting to get some money after being relentlessly clobbered by poor political decisions that caused a series of economic catastrophes that we bore the brunt of. So we are starting to be able to afford stuff we always wanted. 8pk for a C8 that you don't get a stick shift in is a bit much, but 40k for a manual c6 that's more fun and engaging and reminds us of a time when we had hope for a better life... That's doable.

Couple that with the fact that new cars overall suck, with way too much tech and nonsense forced into them, the prices for cars from the 90s and 00s are on a steep incline. I suspect that won't change.

One more thought. Cars are simply just too fast for the streets now. The C8 is faster than a base c6 or C7, no doubt about it. But in the real world where you're not gonna launch control it and go WOT in traffic... It isn't. So why pay more when the c5, c6, C7 whatever is still way faster than you're going to really get to use?

All those things aside... Nostalgia sells. Go into a video game store and see how expensive old super Nintendo or n64 or Playstation games are. There are no shortage of them that cost more than modern rereleases, or even new games. The graphics are objectively worse, many times they look terrible on modern TVs, and they are a pain to connect, plus they're largely available free online as emulators. But they sell for big money because of nostalgia.

Boomers are the generation of "newer is always better". Younger generations tend to be less concerned about newness, and more about function. With some notable exceptions (the educated working poor and their cell phone obsession, etc), millenials and other younger generations don't value newness as much as boomers do. This is gonna have huge ramifications for the future, and I think we will see a lot of seemingly immortal companies buckle under this. I suspect Ford or GM won't make it out alive... Likely whichever tried to be only an ev company first.
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