So get a pair of them I’ll take one and pay the tax on them both….. Oh wait you can’t really buy one as there is a long waiting list.

 

There are C8s on lots around the country. You don't have to wait, unless you want a Z06.

 

There are new C8s on lots all across the country ?
Interesting 🤨 No waiting ? Oh I get it you’re trying really hard to be funny, ignoring the fact used ones are being sold for more than the cars original MSRP.

 

As is the case with every car right now. The new and used car pricing situation is pretty crazy, and if you want to buy right now you'll definitely pay a lot more than you would have 1.5 years ago. But yes, new C8s are on a number of dealer lots. Chevy's own site shows 676 cars in inventory within 2000mi of my zip code (basically within the continental US), and 5 within 25mi. Hell, the place just down the street from me has two on their lot plus another in transit. Looks like they are asking MSRP for them, so they aren't even adding a markup (but I'm sure you can't get a discount either). There are some GM vehicles that seem to be heavily affected by the chip shortage (Camaros are stacking up in storage lots without chips, for example), but the C8 doesn't seem to be one of them. If you want one, you can get one without waiting.

 

The cars listed are sold orders or in transit sold orders. I’m not wondering how this works or guessing at it. Did you really think you figured out how to buy a C8 for MSRP with no wait while there are thousands of people waiting for one ? You’re the same guy who posted if you don’t know don’t post….

 

Whatever you say. Just like I said you can turn stability control and traction control completely off, and you rebutted by talking about the TCM limiting torque to protect the transmission. Two different things.

 

You can turn traction control completely OFF and if the car exceeds the torque value the traction control will intervene momentarily. I’ve tuned a few late model GM cars and discussed it in detail with a friend who is an engineer and works for GM. My daily driver 2.0 liter four door in action putting a beating on a C4. With the traction control and stability control OFF the traction control would flash OFF and momentarily cut power when launching and exceeding the torque limit. The fix was in the TCM.

 

Wellllllll.....

They are two different things technically, but they have a similar effect; killing the fun, and "you're not driving".
If the PCM is reducing tq (TC on or off -doesn't matter) when you've got your foot on the floor...well, that ain't "gettin' it done". Your foot's asking for full tq...you're not getting it. PCM is between your foot and the throttle plate. So....

 

I see C8 vettes around here quite frequently. Over the summer anyway. But then there's just a whole lot of vettes in this small state, it seems like. But during the summer I saw quite a few of them while out and about. And then there were always C8s at the car meets, too.

I don't dislike them as much as I did when they first came out. I still don't like the way the tail lights are on the C7/C8 vettes. They should be round, in my view. It's such a trivial thing, one would think, but to me it just doesn't look like a vette.

A few times as of late, I've seriously thought about picking up a C8. But then I think to myself, no, I'd rather get a blue C3. And that's the gosh honest truth, too. I'm from a different time. So the C8 doesn't really appeal to me in the way that a classic does.

I don't even drive over the speed limit. Not really. And I'm really in no hurry to be the first one at the next red light.

 

It’s not whatever I say, it’s fact. There aren’t hundreds of C8 Corvettes sitting on dealer lots for sale. You didn’t figure it out, there’s a waiting list, end of story.
Get in a C8 and put foot on brake and stomp on it, car won’t do **** no matter what series of buttons you push.

 

Maybe try this code to unlock burnouts lol 😂

 

Can you NOT do a brake stand in a C8? If that's true....that would be incredibly lame. The car has to be able to do that....doesn't it?

 

Tom, the torque management he's talking about is to manage the input torque on the drivetrain. It isn't to help you drive the car or intervene to save your ***. It's not a driver aid at all. Again, you can turn the traction control and stability control completely off and there are no interventions to help you drive better or safer. You can absolutely spin it, break the tires loose, understeer, oversteer, or whatever else you can dream up with the steering, brakes, and accelerator. I can unfortunately attest to those things (on a regular...ahem...basis) with my Camaro. I've certainly seen it done first-hand in C8s, too. I have seen a number of Teslas autocross and one at a track day, and I'm not sure they will allow all nannies to be turned off. Some of the driving I've seen leads me to think that. I also think I've read that some VWs don't allow all nannies to be turned off, but I'm not sure. However, for Chevy's two V8 performance cars, that is not the case: they can be turned off, and you are well and truly on your own.
You can in a Camaro...
...as well as in a C8
.

 

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c8-general-discussion/4379537-chevy-please-fix-this-2.html.


NOPE 👎🏿


The pull the paddles bullshit isn’t really a burnout, I’m arguing with CNN at this point. Facts be damned.
The C8 will not do a brake stand period, there aren’t hundreds for sale on dealer lots either.



I’m not guessing my buddy has one, we beat the dog **** out of it and it won’t do a burnout end of story.

 

You can’t see a drastic difference between the two videos you posted ? Lol 😆 You’re funny

 

In that link you just posted they literally state they have in Track mode. That's not the correct mode, and you can tell because even when he let off the brake it wouldn't do a burnout. To do a burnout it needs to have all TCS and stability controls turned off, which is easy to do if you know how. I think it may also be possible in at least one of the competition modes.

I was answering Tom's question as to whether or not the car will allow a "brake stand" burnout. It will. In the video I posted, the Camaro is an automatic (old-school with torque converter) whereas the C8 is a DCT (clutch that's automated, obviously). You see the driver in that video get the tires spinning and then quickly jump on the brakes to hold the car for a couple seconds. That's literally the same as you'd do in any manual car with a manual clutch. If you're sitting in place with your foot firmly on the brake and try to make it start spinning, it probably won't engage the clutch for the sake of self preservation. The end result is the same, though: you can do a standing burnout in a water pit, or donuts, or drift your way around a track all day long if you want.

 

Yeah....I know that tq mgmt is not a "driving aid"; it's a drive train aid. HOWEVER, earlier, you said "it won't actively intervene in your throttle inputs when all nannies are off". And that ain't true. You can turn off all the crap (itself, an annoying process), and you still get tq mgment. Yeah you can do a burn out.....(10 minutes after you wanted to, by the time you get all the "settings" right -yes that's an exaggeration to make a point)....but when you try to go for a GOOD HARD LAUNCH at the drag track....what happens?

 

Agh! and in that drag pass vid! That just makes my own point! What is the guy DOING in that car? Nothing! He diddle ***** with some settings, pushes two pedals down and releases one of the pedals....he can sleep for the rest of the pass....I almost did, watching it.

What is that? Is that "driving"?? Really?

No thanks, please.

 

Ahhh for the sake of self preservation………. So something is intervening electronically or is it god will ? In a manual trans car you can dump the clutch and stab the brake and hold it in place until the tires pop IF you want. To get a C8 to do a weak burnout it’s a 12 step process and it still doesn’t really do one. Do donuts in one and it with throw a CEL I know as I’ve done it.

 

Tom, what I meant (and you meant) by the computer doing the driving for you is that the computer intervenes to counteract your inputs to either drive faster or safe. The torque management thing is to avoid overstressing the drivetrain: no different than having an ECM dial back spark advance to avoid detonation or having a rev limiter to avoid destruction.
You can of course drag race without launch control if you want to manage the tire spin yourself. But that car also has amazing traction off the line, so I don't think it will be much work regardless. Stock C4s are no different because they have so little power and decent traction and just aren't that hard to launch well on decent tires. Certainly the auto C4s are set-it-and-forget-it easy. I never really understood the fun in drag racing anyway, other than to see how fast your car really is. Most serious drag racers run automatics with line lock and limiters designed to hit a predetermined time (bracket racing). Literally the only skill there is reaction time, which you still have to use in a C8.

JD, I don't know what else to tell you. I've seen donuts in a C8 and no CEL comes on if you're in the right mode. I've done donuts in my 2020 Camaro and no light comes on.

If the two of you don't want to drive modern cars, that's completely fine. All I'm trying to do is set the facts straight: the only driver aid you can't switch off is ABS (just like the C4), and the car doesn't have to intervene to help you drive better if you don't want it to.