auto down window switch
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From: Windermere FL
Re: auto down window switch (kittmaster)
Just got two of these units today. I see they need a positive 12 volt source. I see by the 90 schematic that the door lock circuit is not ignition switched, very near by.
I will try to install them this weekend. Looks fairly straight forward. :lolg:
EDIT
Called their tech support and found that these unit will not work on a switched ground setup like the 90-93 vettes use. However, their tech support was pretty good and and they thought that adding two relays would make it work.
So I'm off to the parts store to buy some relays :rofl:
[Modified by Flame Red, 2:49 PM 4/17/2003]
I will try to install them this weekend. Looks fairly straight forward. :lolg:
EDIT
Called their tech support and found that these unit will not work on a switched ground setup like the 90-93 vettes use. However, their tech support was pretty good and and they thought that adding two relays would make it work.
So I'm off to the parts store to buy some relays :rofl:
[Modified by Flame Red, 2:49 PM 4/17/2003]
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Re: auto down window switch (Flame Red)
Update -
This Auto-Loc unit will not work on 90-93 vettes! My observations confirmed by their tech support. IT requires the switch to supply positive 12 volts, rather than toggling the ground like 90-93 do.
The only product that works was the MAD product that is no longer offered. :sad:
This Auto-Loc unit will not work on 90-93 vettes! My observations confirmed by their tech support. IT requires the switch to supply positive 12 volts, rather than toggling the ground like 90-93 do.
The only product that works was the MAD product that is no longer offered. :sad:
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Re: auto down window switch (Flame Red)
You could use a relay to invert the signal. Use the negative trigger from the module to energize the coil and have the contacts throw the positive required for the windows to do what you want to activate the windows........ :yesnod:
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Re: auto down window switch (kittmaster)
Kitmaster,
Yes, that is what the tech support guys thought too. Sounded good to me. But the switches have some kind of electronics in them. When you put an ohm meter across the leads, the resistance is not infinite, but something like 2K ohms. I hooked up a relay and enought juice flowed threw to enguage the relay. I was not really interested in taking the switch apart to see it's guts.
They also suggested switching the positive and negative feed wires. But I had already chopped up the harness pretty badly already and did not want to got any further :nono:
Yes, that is what the tech support guys thought too. Sounded good to me. But the switches have some kind of electronics in them. When you put an ohm meter across the leads, the resistance is not infinite, but something like 2K ohms. I hooked up a relay and enought juice flowed threw to enguage the relay. I was not really interested in taking the switch apart to see it's guts.
They also suggested switching the positive and negative feed wires. But I had already chopped up the harness pretty badly already and did not want to got any further :nono:
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Re: auto down window switch (kittmaster)
You could use a relay to invert the signal. Use the negative trigger from the module to energize the coil and have the contacts throw the positive required for the windows to do what you want to activate the windows........ :yesnod:
I'd buy 2 :yesnod:
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Re: auto down window switch (Rex Ruby)
If there was a serious interest and deposits to back it, I'd do it. The design of the circuit board is what costs the most.....I really need to get my old board router running again.....lazyness is my excuse....lol. I love to add stuff that isn't supposed to be there, or add stuff that should be there..... :yesnod:
See sig....... :lol:
Kitt
See sig....... :lol:
Kitt
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Re: auto down window switch (-=Jeff=-)
If someone has a 94-96 specific circuit from the service manual, I'd be inclined to buy a switch module and see what it takes to modifiy it. Only one problem, can't sell here on the forum due to not being a "supporting vendor". If someone has a way around this, I'll go full force to figure it out and come up with a very "simple" solution.
Please email the schematic for the 94-96 to chris@kittmaster.com, I have the 93, would need 92 and below also. The more help I get the sooner it may be possible to put into existance.
Kitt
Please email the schematic for the 94-96 to chris@kittmaster.com, I have the 93, would need 92 and below also. The more help I get the sooner it may be possible to put into existance.
Kitt
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Re: auto down window switch (-=Jeff=-)
Jeff,
I did get a module from a late Camaro, the wiring is totally different on the later C4 - the switch toggles the positive 12 V rather than the ground. So either unit would work on these later years (I suppose).
Kitmaster,
There was a unit I got from MAD years ago that did this for the 90-93. I have one installed on the drivers side. MAD does not offer it any more.
I did get a module from a late Camaro, the wiring is totally different on the later C4 - the switch toggles the positive 12 V rather than the ground. So either unit would work on these later years (I suppose).
Kitmaster,
There was a unit I got from MAD years ago that did this for the 90-93. I have one installed on the drivers side. MAD does not offer it any more.
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From: Windermere FL
Re: auto down window switch (Flame Red)
Folks,
I found one more possibility. Please look at http://www.geocities.com/modularmoto...le/index2.html
This dicussion says that DEI makes a unit called the 530T that is used for car alarms to make the windows go up and down. It mentions that this unit also has a polarity switch. Does this mean that it would work with out negative switch systems?
I found the unit for $69. http://www.autopreservers.com/security/acc/530t.htm Not bad to control both windows.
What do you think? Will it work with a 90-93?
I found one more possibility. Please look at http://www.geocities.com/modularmoto...le/index2.html
This dicussion says that DEI makes a unit called the 530T that is used for car alarms to make the windows go up and down. It mentions that this unit also has a polarity switch. Does this mean that it would work with out negative switch systems?
I found the unit for $69. http://www.autopreservers.com/security/acc/530t.htm Not bad to control both windows.
What do you think? Will it work with a 90-93?
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From: Windermere FL
Re: auto down window switch (Flame Red)
UPDATE:
I checked with a knowlegable alarm installer and he confirmed that it will work with a rest-at pos 12V wiring like we have on the 90-93. He was a little more expensive, (about $20) but is going to send me a bunch of schematics to help me get it properly installed.
Unit was $86 and I should be able to wire it so it will raise the windows when I arm and lower them when I disarm. Might be able to rig it off of one of the seperate channels the Viper has. Car has a Viper 600HF alarm in it. It also has sensitivity selection switches (how much of a tap you have to give on the switch to get it to go).
http://adelcom.net/index.html
I should have it in a couple of days. More to come. :grouphug:
Boy, auto down and up would be really :cool:
[Modified by Flame Red, 2:23 PM 4/21/2003]
I checked with a knowlegable alarm installer and he confirmed that it will work with a rest-at pos 12V wiring like we have on the 90-93. He was a little more expensive, (about $20) but is going to send me a bunch of schematics to help me get it properly installed.
Unit was $86 and I should be able to wire it so it will raise the windows when I arm and lower them when I disarm. Might be able to rig it off of one of the seperate channels the Viper has. Car has a Viper 600HF alarm in it. It also has sensitivity selection switches (how much of a tap you have to give on the switch to get it to go).
http://adelcom.net/index.html
I should have it in a couple of days. More to come. :grouphug:
Boy, auto down and up would be really :cool:
[Modified by Flame Red, 2:23 PM 4/21/2003]
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Re: auto down window switch (Flame Red)
Jeff,
I did get a module from a late Camaro, the wiring is totally different on the later C4 - the switch toggles the positive 12 V rather than the ground. So either unit would work on these later years (I suppose).
Kitmaster,
There was a unit I got from MAD years ago that did this for the 90-93. I have one installed on the drivers side. MAD does not offer it any more.
I did get a module from a late Camaro, the wiring is totally different on the later C4 - the switch toggles the positive 12 V rather than the ground. So either unit would work on these later years (I suppose).
Kitmaster,
There was a unit I got from MAD years ago that did this for the 90-93. I have one installed on the drivers side. MAD does not offer it any more.
Jeff
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Re: auto down window switch (Flame Red)
UPDATE:
I received the DEI 530T module today. Looked straight forward, so I thought I would temporarily connect it to the driver's side since that harness was already pretty chopped up.
According to the instructions, I flipped a DIP switch to indicate to the unit it was a 'Type B' system, Positive 12V at rest.
Hooked it up (Temporary) and it worked :hurray: I got both auto down and up. :cool:
The unit requires you to fish two 16 guage wires (motor side) and two 18 guage wires (Switch side) from both doors (Four wires per side) to a central location where you mount the unit that controls BOTH windows.
That's what I'll be doing next. Did not want to bother doing all that if it was not going to work
:party:
I received the DEI 530T module today. Looked straight forward, so I thought I would temporarily connect it to the driver's side since that harness was already pretty chopped up.
According to the instructions, I flipped a DIP switch to indicate to the unit it was a 'Type B' system, Positive 12V at rest.
Hooked it up (Temporary) and it worked :hurray: I got both auto down and up. :cool:
The unit requires you to fish two 16 guage wires (motor side) and two 18 guage wires (Switch side) from both doors (Four wires per side) to a central location where you mount the unit that controls BOTH windows.
That's what I'll be doing next. Did not want to bother doing all that if it was not going to work
:party:
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Re: auto down window switch (HottRodder)
