Vette spinout in rain
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Melting Slicks
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From: alaska
Originally Posted by CentralCoaster
ASR might activate while going sideways, but that doesn't mean it's going to do you any good. It'll only match the forward velocity with the front wheels. Unless it's got some rear wheel steering hidden in there I don't know about.
throttle chops,nose tucks,brakes start applying....not to mention the noise it makes.
i think you would have to try really hard to get a c4 to do a 180 with the asr on and working.you might be able to if you whip it hard enough,but you would really have to work at it.and definately have to have bad traction or hard tires.
i really like the asr.except for when i forget to push the go button and try and smoke the tires.thats a lil embarrasing.
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From: Midddleburg FL
Originally Posted by 65Z01
Frank, if you want a real challenge try driving your Vette in snow! 
Actually the real deal is to have good tread out back. With DRs on it cannot hook up when you get off the accelerator so indeed it would just keep sliding. But with my GY Eagles on it will slap the side of my head into the side window if I get off it too quickly in a spin, even on wet pavement.
But definitely take the Vette to a good alignment shop to have the rear suspension checked out. If alignment changed much you may have bent parts.
Actually the real deal is to have good tread out back. With DRs on it cannot hook up when you get off the accelerator so indeed it would just keep sliding. But with my GY Eagles on it will slap the side of my head into the side window if I get off it too quickly in a spin, even on wet pavement.
But definitely take the Vette to a good alignment shop to have the rear suspension checked out. If alignment changed much you may have bent parts.
Sorry to hear about your wheel. Lets all hope that it was only the wheel that was damaged. Get it checked out. Good luck.
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From: SL UT.
Originally Posted by Mr Mojo
You must done more than a tap, I had mine to the floor all day yesterday and no spinouts.
jk
Last edited by BigStig; Jan 10, 2005 at 03:25 AM.
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From: LA CA
Originally Posted by IDHITIT
I'd get yer vette into the shop ASAP, I don't think even an 80's Diesel Volkswagen Rabbit could help from spinning out with the throttle on the floor during a rain storm. jk
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sorry that the car got damaged but it does sound like you hit the gas harder than you would like for us to believe. Get it checked out and be careful out there.
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...So go ahead and tell me i'm just a ****ty driver now.
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From: Santa Teresa New Mexico
I gotta say I've never had problem with a C-4 in the wet.
Here in the Santa Cruz mountains we average 60" a season with
an 1" per hour. On a really wet day we get 12" in 12 hours.
During a El Nino we get 93" a season.
C-3's are another story. The C-4 in the wet is night and day over the C-3.
Use your ASR.
Here in the Santa Cruz mountains we average 60" a season with
an 1" per hour. On a really wet day we get 12" in 12 hours.
During a El Nino we get 93" a season.
C-3's are another story. The C-4 in the wet is night and day over the C-3.
Use your ASR.
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From: NEwhere Ohio
I had a near -spin out on a bright sunny day at 25 MPH with new tires on 400 feet from my garage. Car was in 2nd gear and I had about 40% throttle applied as I went around a slight kink in the road (barely even a turn). I dont know whether ASR helped. I wasnt over driving the car or anything. Heres what happened:
When tires are built, a silicone curing bladder release lube is sprayd on the inside of every 20th or so tire. This release agent transfers itself to the tire cure bladder where it remains for 20-30 cures.
These tires I had built specifically for me when I worked for Goodyear in the technical center. Those guys used ridiculuous amounts of bladder release lube for some reason or other. I just had the tires mounted onto rims and had just put the tires/rims on my car.
Moral of the story...
On new tires be careful until you break them in (and wear off that lube!)
When I mentioned 40% throttle, I should have been giving it 10% throttle.
But I had no way of knowing.
When tires are built, a silicone curing bladder release lube is sprayd on the inside of every 20th or so tire. This release agent transfers itself to the tire cure bladder where it remains for 20-30 cures.
These tires I had built specifically for me when I worked for Goodyear in the technical center. Those guys used ridiculuous amounts of bladder release lube for some reason or other. I just had the tires mounted onto rims and had just put the tires/rims on my car.
Moral of the story...
On new tires be careful until you break them in (and wear off that lube!)
When I mentioned 40% throttle, I should have been giving it 10% throttle.
But I had no way of knowing.
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From: Nashville Tennessee
Originally Posted by dizwiz24
When tires are built, a silicone curing bladder release lube is sprayd on the inside of every 20th or so tire. This release agent transfers itself to the tire cure bladder where it remains for 20-30 cures.
Melting Slicks
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From: Las Vegas NV
Originally Posted by deiaggie
and to the people about not driving in the rain...these cars wont melt 
Better to let it stay inside when raining so I don't find anymore leaks
Maybe GM knows that a majority of Corvette owner won't drive their cars in the rain so the Vette leaks quality control wasn't a big issue to them
I drove my 88 Corvette almost everyday even in the winter (when the road was clear enough) when I live in PA/NJ. Even took it out to do donuts in the shooping parking lot near home late at night
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Originally Posted by VQT88Vette
Maybe GM knows that a majority of Corvette owner won't drive their cars in the rain so the Vette leaks quality control wasn't a big issue to them
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There has been a lot of talk about ASR. How exactly does it work??? 
Does it rely solely on the wheel speed sensors at the 4 wheels so there is not one (or two) at a completely different speed than the others? I really have no idea...I was just assuming. Also, does ASR/ABS have a separate computer that is located by the module or is it integral to the ECM?? 
Does it rely solely on the wheel speed sensors at the 4 wheels so there is not one (or two) at a completely different speed than the others? I really have no idea...I was just assuming. Also, does ASR/ABS have a separate computer that is located by the module or is it integral to the ECM??
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From: walled lake MI
Originally Posted by JA94vette
Does it rely solely on the wheel speed sensors at the 4 wheels so there is not one (or two) at a completely different speed than the others?
Originally Posted by JA94vette
Also, does ASR/ABS have a separate computer that is located by the module or is it integral to the ECM??
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From: Santa Teresa New Mexico
Originally Posted by tempest
in general, yes, but it also uses a lateral accelerometer (mine's located just under the radio head unit) for doing some crude slip regulation while turning. modern stability control systems rely on an angular accelerometer rather than a linear one.
it's a separate unit and the ASR/ABS computer is one and the same (called the EBCM). in 92 it is located in a bin just behind the driver's seat... i think it's the same in yours.
it's a separate unit and the ASR/ABS computer is one and the same (called the EBCM). in 92 it is located in a bin just behind the driver's seat... i think it's the same in yours.
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From: walled lake MI
let me reword my second part in easy-to-read bullet points since it does look confusing:
- the ASR/ABS computer is separate from the ECM
- the ASR and ABS computers are the same computer
- the ASR/ABS computer, called the EBCM, is located behind me in a bin
as for my first part of my response, the simple answer is "yes".
let me know if you'd like me to throw out some more 3- or 4- letter acronyms at ya.
- the ASR/ABS computer is separate from the ECM
- the ASR and ABS computers are the same computer
- the ASR/ABS computer, called the EBCM, is located behind me in a bin
as for my first part of my response, the simple answer is "yes".
let me know if you'd like me to throw out some more 3- or 4- letter acronyms at ya.
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From: Conroe TEXAS!
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Well heres my 2c. I drive my vette, every single day that it rains. It is my only vehicle and of course my daily driver. I have yet to loose controll of the car. I will say however, that I did drive in the rain with near bald tires once. Not just rain, a pretty good downpour, on the freeway. At highway speeds 65+ it was plain scary, car felt like it was "floating". Not something I would like to experience again. My ZR1 rims showed up the next day and needless to say, they got brand new rubber put on them, problem solved.
I will be putting 555R's on the car in the next month,...have to see how that is going to work out.
I will be putting 555R's on the car in the next month,...have to see how that is going to work out.
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From: seattle WA
Never rains in Seattle but when the streets get washed the vette gets driven differently-very light on the pedal when acceleration,just gets to squrrely even with good tires. Glad you were'nt hurt.
but when the streets get washed the vette gets driven differently-very light on the pedal when acceleration,just gets to squrrely even with good tires. Glad you were'nt hurt.