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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 12:05 AM
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Will I need to have my computer chip changed since I just changed from 2:59 to 3:07s I took it for a ride on Sat. and it just didn't feel right. It seemed faster with the 2:59s Don't know if it's me or what. Guess i'll find out Sat. when I take it to the track. ANY HELP GUYS?
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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I went from the 2.59's to 3.54's without changing the chip, just the new speedometer stuff. Be sure to gently break those new gears in before racing.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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You didn't mention the year. Did you swap speedo gears or tweak the CPU as necessary for your car?

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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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Sorry about that CFI- EFI It's a 90 Automatic. Dumb question but fill me in on the CPU? Can I change the stuff for the speedo and where is it located on the trans? THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:48 PM
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3:07 should give you some change but if you really want to get going you need 3:73 gears in your auto.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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Sorry about that CFI- EFI It's a 90 Automatic. Dumb question but fill me in on the CPU? Can I change the stuff for the speedo and where is it located on the trans? THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP
Where the speedo change has to take place, depends on the year of the car. After 1993. the CPU, or whatever, had to be reprogrammed. On your '90, a simple swap to the proper speedo gears will do the trick. The speedo gears are in the tail housing of the trans. You retain your red 17 tooth drive gear, which saves you from pulling off the tail shaft housing. Swap your white, 36 tooth, driven gear for the green, 42 tooth, driven gear, part number, 25513049, and your VSS for part number 25007308. That will get your speedo reading correctly and probably straighten out your performance problems. No CPU attention is necessary or beneficial.

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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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Hey CFI-EFI don't mean to hijack the thread but you seem to know alot about the new speedo gears, I recently had my 93 auto changed from 2.59 gears to 3.54's would you happen to know what number tooth gear I would need to change to to get back to accurate speedometer readings. Thanks in advance
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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Where the speedo change has to take place, depends on the year of the car. After 1993. the CPU, or whatever, had to be reprogrammed. On your '90, a simple swap to the proper speedo gears will do the trick. The speedo gears are in the tail housing of the trans. You retain your red 17 tooth drive gear, which saves you from pulling off the tail shaft housing. Swap your white, 36 tooth, driven gear for the green, 42 tooth, driven gear, part number, 25513049, and your VSS for part number 25007308. That will get your speedo reading correctly and probably straighten out your performance problems. No CPU attention is necessary or beneficial.

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I also don't mean to hi jack But I just swapped gears in my 88 auto Camaro I went from 2.77's to 3.42's cna I just change the speedo gear connected to the cable insted of pulling the housing off?
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Hey CFI-EFI don't mean to hijack the thread but you seem to know alot about the new speedo gears, I recently had my 93 auto changed from 2.59 gears to 3.54's would you happen to know what number tooth gear I would need to change to to get back to accurate speedometer readings. Thanks in advance
Frank
I don't think it's considered a hijack, because I think we've solved pipe's problem. Because you stepped over the 3.07, threshold, you have to change all three items. You will have to remove the tail housing to swap out your red, 17 tooth, drive gear to the grey, 15 tooth, drive gear, part number, 8642670. The 35 tooth orange, driven gear, has to be traded for a 43 tooth, purple gear, part number, 25513050. Your VSS has be changed to a 10456092, to make it all work.

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I also don't mean to hi jack But I just swapped gears in my 88 auto Camaro I went from 2.77's to 3.42's cna I just change the speedo gear connected to the cable insted of pulling the housing off?
Assuming it's a 700R4 trans, I'm afraid not. You too, have crossed the 3.07 line. You will have to go to the same 15 tooth, grey, part number 8642670, drive gear. I can't be sure what driven gear it will take because I don't know that the Camaros and Corvettes take the same circumference tires. If you can tell me what driven gear you have now, I can make an educated guess. Or if YOU know the tires are the same, I can give you the numbers for a mechanical drive that are the "Corvette" equivalent. The VSS or in your case, the sleeve the driven gear installs through, changes when you go from a 39 tooth or smaller driven gear to a 40 tooth or larger driven gear. I suspect you will have to change the sleeve, also.

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Well I ran the car Sat. and it ran worse with the 3.07s then with the 2.59s Someone at the track told me I need to change the speedo gears (which I know) to straighten out the speedo but the guy said that's why my car isn't performing right cause the ECM picks up the MPH on the speedo and tells the trans when to shift. Is he right? Do I also need to change the govenor? THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP I'M GETTIN SLOWER INSTEAD OF GETTIN FASTER
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Not likely. The governor speed is based on the transmission output shaft speed. It is mechanical and independent of the VSS. Get the speedo straightened out and see what the shift points look like then.

Your "buddy" has mislead you somewhat. Your 1990 didn't come with a 4L60E transmission, which DOES rely on the ECM to tell it when to shift. Your 4L60 (no E) shifts with no ECM input. However, I believe that incorrect VSS input to the ECM is messing with the fuel and timing adjustments for the engine.

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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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Hey thanks for the info, truth be told I had forgotten all about the question and didn't notice until now that you had PM'd me. I got the info and will get the parts to fix my speedo. Once again many thanks your knowledge is greatly appreciated

Frank
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I just wanted to know if I answered your questions and see how it worked out. I hope pipe is up and running again.

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Originally Posted by arrow322
Hey CFI-EFI don't mean to hijack the thread but you seem to know alot about the new speedo gears, I recently had my 93 auto changed from 2.59 gears to 3.54's would you happen to know what number tooth gear I would need to change to to get back to accurate speedometer readings. Thanks in advance
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FWIW there is another route you can go...in my 93 I went from 59's to 3:73's...I had an electronic box installed which corrects the speedo...the nice part about the box is when future changes come up...I put in a Dana 44 with 3:45's and it only cost $37 to change for them...then, a month later, I went with 73's in the 44 and, again, only $37 to correct the speedo...the initial cost of the box including install was $250....
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Dice
FWIW there is another route you can go...in my 93 I went from 59's to 3:73's...I had an electronic box installed which corrects the speedo...the nice part about the box is when future changes come up...I put in a Dana 44 with 3:45's and it only cost $37 to change for them...then, a month later, I went with 73's in the 44 and, again, only $37 to correct the speedo...the initial cost of the box including install was $250....
Where did you get that? I need one to convert the signal from a T56 to a mechanical speedo. Ive heard about those.
Didn't mean to get off topic.
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I am right in the middle of installing the Dakota Digital box that can be calibrated to send the correct speed to your speedometer... Will post when it is done and let you know how it worked out... Currently running 4.30s and will be switching to 3.07s or 3.33s when we go open road racing in May... I need to be able to switch the calibration back and forth.. 3.07s are to tall for street use in my car...
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I just wanted to know if I answered your questions and see how it worked out. I hope pipe is up and running again.

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Hey CFI-EFI, I hope you don't mind but I just switched from 3.07 to 3.75 in my 1990 auto. I had the speedo changed will I need anything else???? Sorry for the hijack Pipe!
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What do mean by, "I had the speedo changed will I need anything else????"? The gauge? The gears? The VSS? What?

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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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What I mean will I need my chip reburned by Jesse?
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