Alcohol/Water injection?
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Melting Slicks
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From: Green Bay WI
Alcohol/Water injection?
Quick question from a SC newb here... If you run the hose directly from the supercharger to the throttle body, can you plumb an alcohol/water injection setup right into the hose "elbow" immediately before the throttle body or does it have to be placed farther back in the intake tract?
Can someone explain in detail how alcohol/water injection works and what is needed? TIA!
Can someone explain in detail how alcohol/water injection works and what is needed? TIA!
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From: Fremont Oh
cprgmr,
Yes, the nozzle would be placed before the throttle body. There are a few kits out there. I use the Gaseous Injection plus system from Blowerworks www.carrollsupercharging.com his system may cost a little more but it is very complete... I'm sure others with other systems may chime in as well.
The system basically once you hit about 3 pounds of boost will start the pump to spray the water / alky .... methonal ... mix at about 100 psi. It cools the intake charge allowing you to run more timing and less fuel ( to a certain extent). This will significantly reduce your knock retard. You a benefit is you will increase you horsepower, and it takes less space than a traditional intercooler.
Hope this helps,
Mo
Yes, the nozzle would be placed before the throttle body. There are a few kits out there. I use the Gaseous Injection plus system from Blowerworks www.carrollsupercharging.com his system may cost a little more but it is very complete... I'm sure others with other systems may chime in as well.
The system basically once you hit about 3 pounds of boost will start the pump to spray the water / alky .... methonal ... mix at about 100 psi. It cools the intake charge allowing you to run more timing and less fuel ( to a certain extent). This will significantly reduce your knock retard. You a benefit is you will increase you horsepower, and it takes less space than a traditional intercooler.
Hope this helps,
Mo
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From: Green Bay WI
Originally Posted by ztrips
I have Greg's kit as well. Drop him an email, he has some excellent white papers about this.
BTW- His kit is by far the most complete and well engineered one you'll find....
BTW- His kit is by far the most complete and well engineered one you'll find....
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I think Zstrips also has the same system as I do.
One of the nice things is that you can incrementally add to your system if you cant afford the Gen IV up front. Eventually I am going there as well...
mo
One of the nice things is that you can incrementally add to your system if you cant afford the Gen IV up front. Eventually I am going there as well...
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Originally Posted by cprgmr
ztrips - what kit are you currently running? I was thinking about going with the Gen-IV Deluxe Gaseous Intercooling System.
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St. Jude Donor '05
I've seen good things with akyinjection.com and snow performance.
Its nice when they vary pump speed vs. RPM or Boost.
I built a simple PWM controller when I messed with mine. I had one *** in the car to adjust the timing retard on the MSD box and anthor to control pump speed (0-200psi)
I took it off ultimately, I found I was tinkering with it too much instead of just having fun with the car.
Its nice when they vary pump speed vs. RPM or Boost.
I built a simple PWM controller when I messed with mine. I had one *** in the car to adjust the timing retard on the MSD box and anthor to control pump speed (0-200psi)
I took it off ultimately, I found I was tinkering with it too much instead of just having fun with the car.
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From: Fremont Oh
Various Blowerworks kits such as the deluxe vary the pump as well. Yes it is easy to take the fun out of driving by the "tinkering" but once you have it setup... you can safely enjoy the fun!
Mo
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Originally Posted by 96redvettelt4
Always heard great things about Greg's system. Just curious what are you using for your container for alky/water. How long does it last- how often refilling. Chad
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Yes it is about 2 minutes of full boost, or about 1 fill to a tank under normal driving....
I'm using the washer container... Greg also has larger bladders and a stainless steel tank that mounts above the gas tank I thik it is 10 gallons...
Mo
I'm using the washer container... Greg also has larger bladders and a stainless steel tank that mounts above the gas tank I thik it is 10 gallons...
Mo
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From: Green Bay WI
Originally Posted by ztrips
Sorry for the delay, I was on vacation last week... I think Mo and I have the same system. It's just the basic Blowerworks kit, but don't let the "basic" basic part fool you, this is top of the line stuff. Give Greg a call and let him know what you're running, he'll point you in the right direction.
I was looking at the Gen-IV Deluxe Gaseous Intercooling system.I was talking with Paul (zelement) and he's using the Snow Performance kit. It looks like a fairly well put together kit and it's about half the price of the Gen-IV.
Money is really not a concern when it comes to this stuff, I just mentioned it for comparison purposes.
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You can also get opti-kleen from the GM dealer.... it is methanol, I mix it 50/50.
I'd love to have the deluxe system as well, I bought the "plus" sytem from Greg, you can upgrade to the full blown system...
The thingI love the best is greg's products are well thought through, I NEVER had to run to the hardware store for anything I have ever bought from him. If anything the kits even include parts for variations as well. The instalation instructions are very detailed and leave you with a full unerstanding of what and how things should work...
My 46 dollars...
Mo
I'd love to have the deluxe system as well, I bought the "plus" sytem from Greg, you can upgrade to the full blown system...
The thingI love the best is greg's products are well thought through, I NEVER had to run to the hardware store for anything I have ever bought from him. If anything the kits even include parts for variations as well. The instalation instructions are very detailed and leave you with a full unerstanding of what and how things should work...
My 46 dollars...
Mo
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Originally Posted by Mo_Bandy
You can also get opti-kleen from the GM dealer.... it is methanol, I mix it 50/50.
I'd love to have the deluxe system as well, I bought the "plus" sytem from Greg, you can upgrade to the full blown system...
The thingI love the best is greg's products are well thought through, I NEVER had to run to the hardware store for anything I have ever bought from him. If anything the kits even include parts for variations as well. The instalation instructions are very detailed and leave you with a full unerstanding of what and how things should work...
My 46 dollars...
Mo
I'd love to have the deluxe system as well, I bought the "plus" sytem from Greg, you can upgrade to the full blown system...
The thingI love the best is greg's products are well thought through, I NEVER had to run to the hardware store for anything I have ever bought from him. If anything the kits even include parts for variations as well. The instalation instructions are very detailed and leave you with a full unerstanding of what and how things should work...
My 46 dollars...
Mo
