Major Problem With SuperRam Install
Le Mans Master
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From: Santa Maria CA
Originally Posted by Vetracr
Accel super ram intake quality control is non existant. The machined surfaces on the first intake manifold I received from Summit was so visibley bad I had to return it. After installing the second on my 90 I had a bad vacuum leak. After much chagrin I traced it back to the EGR passage machining done by Accel. They machined beyond the gasket line creating a leak. Because I had installed it they would not do anything for me. Like installing it changed the way it was machined.
Le Mans Master
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From: Castro Valley Calif.
St. Jude Donor '03 thru '26
Originally Posted by Hot Rod 90
i know what you're inferring, and thats not why i asked the questions...it was for the general benefit.
Best of luck Crazy, keep us posted if you would please
Former Vendor
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From: St Marys PA
Originally Posted by Caboboy
God forbid the Grand know-it-all be questioned on anything
Best of luck Crazy, keep us posted if you would please
Best of luck Crazy, keep us posted if you would please
Crazy, you asked if the motor would still turn over if there was damage..
The answer to that is probably, especially now if your trying to turn it over with no coolant in it. It only takes a few thousands of an inch to really mess something up in a motor. Like a rod bent or equivalent.
My best recommondation would be to pull the rockers on that cylinder, put the intake on, and if water still enters the cylinder....you have problems. What your doing by taking the rockers off is completely sealing the cylinder from anything entering through the air passage (intake side). At that point the ONLY way for water to get into the passage is through the cylinder wall or through a hole in the head that should not be there.
If you have any questions, please let me know if your not clear on what I am describing.
Racer
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: tx
Originally Posted by LD85
Do not use the cork gaskets on the china wall, use Right Stuff etc...
.
The "Right Stuff" is an excellent product. I use it with good results
The Maintenance shop at work has 3 tools in their box.. Duct tape, a Big Hammer and "Right Stuff".
Good luck, i hope it is an easy fix for you.
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Burning Brakes
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Middle Earth
He pulled it off today and says he found a bolt in the head that "someone (me)" (looks around for someone to blame) let drop in there and it blew a hole in the head
So now my parents are ragingly pissed b/c the car is still theirs (I get it in two weeks when I graduate)
so now he is wanting to take it somewhere to get the hole welded and I have no idea if that is safe
Anyone want to buy a 22 years old soul? This is going to cost me a lot
So now my parents are ragingly pissed b/c the car is still theirs (I get it in two weeks when I graduate)
so now he is wanting to take it somewhere to get the hole welded and I have no idea if that is safe
Anyone want to buy a 22 years old soul? This is going to cost me a lot
Last edited by SDS Photography; Jul 29, 2005 at 02:29 PM.
Le Mans Master
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From: Edmonton AB
I'd say that the shop owner should place a call
to his insurance agent.
Accident, negligence, vandalism, call it what you
may - this problem happened while the vehicle was
in their care. Are they acknowledging responsibility?
As far as having the head welded to repair it, this is
not out of the question for an aluminum head. But I
defer to others here more experienced with head mods.
BTW - how much for the soul, I have an acquaintance
who might be interested.
to his insurance agent.
Accident, negligence, vandalism, call it what you
may - this problem happened while the vehicle was
in their care. Are they acknowledging responsibility?
As far as having the head welded to repair it, this is
not out of the question for an aluminum head. But I
defer to others here more experienced with head mods.
BTW - how much for the soul, I have an acquaintance
who might be interested.
Last edited by Slalom4me; Jul 29, 2005 at 02:29 PM.
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Le Mans Master
Joined: Jan 2002
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From: Edmonton AB
Originally Posted by CrazyInBlack
I did the install the first time and that is when the hole was made.
know you are definately looking for a buyer.
Is that $1,500 on top of everything else? Start
researching a new head - IIRC, they were cheap
assembled at some point in the past. Try Superior
Chev, Scoggin-Dickey, Sallee.
Setting aside the head, the shop is entitled to
compensation for the extra work they've been faced
with for diagnostics and R & R.
Better put this car on hold for a few weeks so you
can focus on school and ace all your finals to help
smooth the waters w/ the folks. Consider settling
up with the shop for work to date, tow it home and
put it out of your mind. After you take care of business
at school, do your research and lay out an action plan.
Regrets ...
Last edited by Slalom4me; Jul 29, 2005 at 02:40 PM.
Le Mans Master
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From: somers, ny
Welding the head should be no problem for a competent shop. I melted the wall between two cylinders when i blew a head gasket on my old motor. When it was repaired you could hardly tell it was repaired. It wasn't all the expensive to fix either......but yours might be worse. Good luck
Racer
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: tx
Originally Posted by CrazyInBlack
He pulled it off today and says he found a bolt in the head that "someone (me)" (looks around for someone to blame) let drop in there and it blew a hole in the head
Hope it doesn't cost you too much to fix.
Former Vendor
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From: St Marys PA
Originally Posted by crossfire7
I don't think the "right stuff" will seal up that hole.
Hope it doesn't cost you too much to fix.
Hope it doesn't cost you too much to fix.
Well as I said early on, it doesn't sound like a mis-matched intake to me. And that is was more of an internal damage type root cause. Sorry to hear.
Stuff can be welded back...but I would have serious concerns about warpage. At a bare, bare mininum I would have the heads milled down to ensure flatness after the welding is performed. Now here on the heads, where you can't use the right stuff, a few thousands warpage WILL be bigtime trouble down the road.
IF it were me, I would buy a new set of heads. Your guides and other facets of the heads are probably pretty worn and should be completely done over again anyways. By the time you do all this and have it welded (which may or may not work) your already 1/2 way to a new (better) set of heads.
Good luck and again sorry to hear of the damage.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Aug 2004
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From: Geneseo Illinois
St. Jude Donor '06
Originally Posted by LD85
OK, this is my one post for July!
Do not use the cork gaskets on the china wall, use Right Stuff etc...
Sorry if this was already mentioned.
Do not use the cork gaskets on the china wall, use Right Stuff etc...
Sorry if this was already mentioned.
Drifting
Joined: May 2002
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From: The Motor City
Don't know if this issue has been laid to rest yet, but I was faced with a similar issue of having to repair or replace the heads on my '89 about three or four years ago.
I had a bad headgasket and didn't realize it until the car overheated badly. After I sent the heads to have them rebuilt, I found out that one of the heads had cracked. Interesting enough, the head that didn't crack, had cracked before and had been welded!
I didn't want to go aftermarket since my car is all stock and I want to keep it that way for now. I looked at new GM castings, but at almost $700 EACH (without valves, guides, and studs by the way) I quickly decided against that idea. I toyed with the notion of having the one head repaired, but the prices I was being quoted were around $600. So I ended up calling Just Corvettes salvage in PA, and bought a complete set of heads off of an '89 for $500. I had them checked out and rebuilt and I was good to go.
Just my $0.02 if you're still contemplating what to do. Good luck!
I had a bad headgasket and didn't realize it until the car overheated badly. After I sent the heads to have them rebuilt, I found out that one of the heads had cracked. Interesting enough, the head that didn't crack, had cracked before and had been welded!
I didn't want to go aftermarket since my car is all stock and I want to keep it that way for now. I looked at new GM castings, but at almost $700 EACH (without valves, guides, and studs by the way) I quickly decided against that idea. I toyed with the notion of having the one head repaired, but the prices I was being quoted were around $600. So I ended up calling Just Corvettes salvage in PA, and bought a complete set of heads off of an '89 for $500. I had them checked out and rebuilt and I was good to go.
Just my $0.02 if you're still contemplating what to do. Good luck!
