1987 Crossfire, Anyone has an answer?
Burning Brakes
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From: Glen Burnie MD
Actually, my 86 is pre-wired for the auto climate control even though it has manual. When I took off the halo panel, the wires for the temp sensor were there (my replacement panel had the sensor), and there's some unused ones behind the dash as well. Might not be as hard to retrofit as you'd expect.
Oh, and Carfax does have a record of this car - I put the VIN in just to see.
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Oh, and Carfax does have a record of this car - I put the VIN in just to see.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Winchester VA
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Originally Posted by rrubel
Actually, my 86 is pre-wired for the auto climate control even though it has manual. When I took off the halo panel, the wires for the temp sensor were there (my replacement panel had the sensor), and there's some unused ones behind the dash as well. Might not be as hard to retrofit as you'd expect.
Oh, and Carfax does have a record of this car - I put the VIN in just to see.
[RICHR]
Oh, and Carfax does have a record of this car - I put the VIN in just to see.
[RICHR]
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
That is a whole lot of valuable information, Thank you very much. I will try to find the numbers at the probbable locations.
I am interested where the car comes from and if sombody did fraude. (what I really expect now) But I am afraid a little to open a can of worms. As I said in the other response, If Spain expects problems, they just confiscate the car to investigate and you never see the car nor the money back. Than I am the victom of sombody else his fraude. So I am a little afraid to investigate too much. I am happy with the car, it runs fine (after a lot of work), it does not throw error codes etc so perhaps it is best to let rest. Please tell me what you think, you are clearly knowledgable in these things.
Thanks.
I am interested where the car comes from and if sombody did fraude. (what I really expect now) But I am afraid a little to open a can of worms. As I said in the other response, If Spain expects problems, they just confiscate the car to investigate and you never see the car nor the money back. Than I am the victom of sombody else his fraude. So I am a little afraid to investigate too much. I am happy with the car, it runs fine (after a lot of work), it does not throw error codes etc so perhaps it is best to let rest. Please tell me what you think, you are clearly knowledgable in these things.
Thanks.
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
Originally Posted by RainDelay
I believe 86 started the ECC option so it makes sense that your harness you would have it incorporated. An 84 would not be prewired, I know my 85 is not.
Nico
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Originally Posted by Nico
That is a whole lot of valuable information, Thank you very much. I will try to find the numbers at the probbable locations.
I am interested where the car comes from and if sombody did fraude. (what I really expect now) But I am afraid a little to open a can of worms. As I said in the other response, If Spain expects problems, they just confiscate the car to investigate and you never see the car nor the money back. Than I am the victom of sombody else his fraude. So I am a little afraid to investigate too much. I am happy with the car, it runs fine (after a lot of work), it does not throw error codes etc so perhaps it is best to let rest. Please tell me what you think, you are clearly knowledgable in these things.
Thanks.
I am interested where the car comes from and if sombody did fraude. (what I really expect now) But I am afraid a little to open a can of worms. As I said in the other response, If Spain expects problems, they just confiscate the car to investigate and you never see the car nor the money back. Than I am the victom of sombody else his fraude. So I am a little afraid to investigate too much. I am happy with the car, it runs fine (after a lot of work), it does not throw error codes etc so perhaps it is best to let rest. Please tell me what you think, you are clearly knowledgable in these things.
Thanks.
How tragic...
Is there any way you can go back to the prior owner and complain? Did you pay big money for this car? or was it a good value?
At this point, I would start saving money and enhance it as much as possible. Be done with it... if the car has not been in an accident, then by all means, drive it...
check the rest of the VIN numbers, tho... if only so you know the year of the car when you go buy parts.
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Originally Posted by bogus
it sounds like the Spanish government's solution to fraud is what we here in the states call a "catch-22." They take your property to investigate, then never investigate! At least if you keep quiet, you still have the car!!
How tragic...
How tragic...
Melting Slicks
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From: Las Vegas Nevada
I agree with Bogus - if the authorities do take the car chances are it will do no one any good.
It would be interesting to know the history and what happened, but it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.
Burning Brakes
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From: Glen Burnie MD
Nico, if you have a credit card, it'd definitely be worth the $10 to pay Carfax for a full report of your car - since we know the VIN is in the database, it was at one point a US-registered model. And this way, you'll know more of the story without the authorities getting involved.
I don't see if you said that the car has a high-mount stop light or not - a brake light above the rear hatch.
[RICHR]
I don't see if you said that the car has a high-mount stop light or not - a brake light above the rear hatch.
[RICHR]
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Originally Posted by bogus
for that matter, get the VIN and I am sure someone in 4sale has carfax already.
Check out the opening post, post #1, for this thread.RACE ON!!!
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
Don't you just love it when someone jumps in to help without reading the thread??? Check out the opening post, post #1, for this thread.
RACE ON!!!
Check out the opening post, post #1, for this thread.RACE ON!!!
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
Originally Posted by bogus
it sounds like the Spanish government's solution to fraud is what we here in the states call a "catch-22." Damned if you, damned if you don't. They take your property to investigate, then never investigate! At least if you keep quiet, you still have the car!!
How tragic...
Is there any way you can go back to the prior owner and complain? Did you pay big money for this car? or was it a good value?
At this point, I would start saving money and enhance it as much as possible. Be done with it... if the car has not been in an accident, then by all means, drive it...
check the rest of the VIN numbers, tho... if only so you know the year of the car when you go buy parts.
How tragic...
Is there any way you can go back to the prior owner and complain? Did you pay big money for this car? or was it a good value?
At this point, I would start saving money and enhance it as much as possible. Be done with it... if the car has not been in an accident, then by all means, drive it...
check the rest of the VIN numbers, tho... if only so you know the year of the car when you go buy parts.
Un abrazo from Spain
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
Originally Posted by rrubel
Nico, if you have a credit card, it'd definitely be worth the $10 to pay Carfax for a full report of your car - since we know the VIN is in the database, it was at one point a US-registered model. And this way, you'll know more of the story without the authorities getting involved.
I don't see if you said that the car has a high-mount stop light or not - a brake light above the rear hatch.
[RICHR]
I don't see if you said that the car has a high-mount stop light or not - a brake light above the rear hatch.
[RICHR]
I really love the concern of all people in this forum Real GREAT
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
Originally Posted by bogus
Don't you just love it when someone else doesn't bother reading an entire thread? And only picks on a slightly poor choice of words?
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
Originally Posted by rrubel
Nico, if you have a credit card, it'd definitely be worth the $10 to pay Carfax for a full report of your car - since we know the VIN is in the database, it was at one point a US-registered model. And this way, you'll know more of the story without the authorities getting involved.
I don't see if you said that the car has a high-mount stop light or not - a brake light above the rear hatch.
[RICHR]
I don't see if you said that the car has a high-mount stop light or not - a brake light above the rear hatch.
[RICHR]
I tried to ectract the carfax data. It is 19.95 $ min, and it is not possible from Spain. I have to fill in a field with a USA state, no other country possibility and only USA Zip codes.
Can´t have them all
Racer
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Just a couple of other quick things you can check..See if there is a light blue wire going in to brake light switch...I don't think 84 and 85's have them as they are for the 3rd br. light.
Also, look at the angle of the instr. cluster fascia panel....if it is "flat", meaning it is parallel to the cluster face, then it is an 84-5 cluster. If it is at an angle, with the lower section closer to you than the top section, then it is an 86 or later dash fascia.
Do you have vats and abs braking system?
Are the vin plate rivets round or clover shaped...the later are factory fitted?
Did you check the other chassis nos. compared to the vin plate no. yet?
Also, look at the angle of the instr. cluster fascia panel....if it is "flat", meaning it is parallel to the cluster face, then it is an 84-5 cluster. If it is at an angle, with the lower section closer to you than the top section, then it is an 86 or later dash fascia.
Do you have vats and abs braking system?
Are the vin plate rivets round or clover shaped...the later are factory fitted?
Did you check the other chassis nos. compared to the vin plate no. yet?
Team Owner
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by Nico
NO CARFAX---- NO CARFAX---- NO CARFAX
I tried to ectract the carfax data. It is 19.95 $ min, and it is not possible from Spain. I have to fill in a field with a USA state, no other country possibility and only USA Zip codes.
Can´t have them all
I tried to ectract the carfax data. It is 19.95 $ min, and it is not possible from Spain. I have to fill in a field with a USA state, no other country possibility and only USA Zip codes.
Can´t have them all
Oh, one other thing... remove the battery, or at the very least, look behind it. 1984 vettes have nothing back there, 1987 vettes have a large junction box with many wires coming and going.
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From: Merritt Ils Fl
Having read all this I am intrigued as to what this thing is. HOWEVER, I worked for a very wise man once who cautioned me to never ask a question if you are afraid of the answer. Since there is a possibility of the Spanish authorities becoming involved the better course of action would appear,to me anyway, to have the A/C fixed and enjoy the car to the max. Besides it makes a very nice conversation piece.
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Racer
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From: 1984 crossfire, Alhaurin de la Torre Malaga, Spain
GENERAL ANSWER TO ALL
First, thank you all very much for all the information. I am astonished how much help there is in such a short time.
I am convinced that it is a true 1984-5. No blue wire, no ABS, T doorhandles, hood for crossfire, no junction box behind the battery, black inserts in wheels, facial panel flat, VIN label rivets round. So someone changed the vin label and stamped the new number into the chassis, probably for export to increase the price. They don´t know that in the UK most probably they assumed (I guess).
The car was registered in 1995 in the UK and exported to Spain in 1997. In both occations the VIN number was already 1987, so the fraude happened in the USA.
I am very happy with the car (who isn´t with a vette?) and as Muffin says (and many other forum members)
I AM GONNA ENJOY THE CAR and dont ask more questions who changed the VIN. I think it became clear enough.
Thank you all very much.
First, thank you all very much for all the information. I am astonished how much help there is in such a short time.
I am convinced that it is a true 1984-5. No blue wire, no ABS, T doorhandles, hood for crossfire, no junction box behind the battery, black inserts in wheels, facial panel flat, VIN label rivets round. So someone changed the vin label and stamped the new number into the chassis, probably for export to increase the price. They don´t know that in the UK most probably they assumed (I guess).
The car was registered in 1995 in the UK and exported to Spain in 1997. In both occations the VIN number was already 1987, so the fraude happened in the USA.
I am very happy with the car (who isn´t with a vette?) and as Muffin says (and many other forum members)
I AM GONNA ENJOY THE CAR and dont ask more questions who changed the VIN. I think it became clear enough.
Thank you all very much.