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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 08:52 PM
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Roller rockers ought to appear tomorrow for my (wife's) '95 LT1. I'm assuming the hyd roller lifters are similar to setting regular hyd lifters. Last time I did those, I tightened them 1/2 to 3/4 turn past the point where all slack removed. Are these the same? TIA.
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 09:32 PM
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Opinions vary on this. Lifter design, (I assume yours are stock) end use and personal preference, among other things, can enter into it. I'd go with the half turn on an otherwise stock engine, recheck in a few weeks and then if all is well, you can forget about them.
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 09:39 PM
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I went a whole turn on the advice from TPIS, is that too tight?
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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I went a whole turn on the advice from TPIS, is that too tight?
That's the stock setting on most SBCs. But most, in a performance application, run them a little looser. If it's working well and you don't frequently see high RPMs, don't worry about it.
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Comp Cams method here .030
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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all of the above will work. Adjusted mine 3/4 turn from 0 lash. That was 2 years ago. No noise,no readjustment.
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 10:05 PM
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Are the rockers self adjusting or not?
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Not to steal the thread, but I think that old motorhead got the advice he needed, so can some one explain to me the diff. between self adjusting and non self adjusting rockers? Thanks, Robert
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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Not to steal the thread, but I think that old motorhead got the advice he needed, so can some one explain to me the diff. between self adjusting and non self adjusting rockers? Thanks, Robert
Some engines simply have no provision for rocker adjustment. You bolt them on and there you are. I used to mess with some Ford engines that were like that. When a higher lift cam was installed, I'd shim the rockers to remove some of the preload. Obviously they can be modified to be adjustable, but I was a real low-buck hot rodder in those days!
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Originally Posted by Corvette Kid NC
Some engines simply have no provision for rocker adjustment. You bolt them on and there you are. I used to mess with some Ford engines that were like that. When a higher lift cam was installed, I'd shim the rockers to remove some of the preload. Obviously they can be modified to be adjustable, but I was a real low-buck hot rodder in those days!

I remember the first time I saw rockers that required no adjustment; I was working on either a Buick or an Olds that had a shaft with the eight rockers on it, and I thought boy this is so much easier to install than setting the lash on Chevys and Mopars.

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So are the roller rockers the kind that you just tighten up or are they adjusted to the valve?
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Are some of you guys askign for self adjusting or self aligning?

Self aligning and non-self aligning are two different types of rockers. Basically the self aligning has some type of retainer to keep the rocker on the part of the valve sitting above the retainer. Non-SA rockers rely on a guide plate to keep everything square.

Pedistal rockers are really nice.. Ford SBC's are that way and so are LS1's. It can be tricky when you go with a different cam but they sure are nice when it comes to putting a stocker back together.

I actually like to adjust my rockers with the engine running to about 1/4-1/2 on a comp R and a 1/2 to 3/4 on a stock lifter. Doing it while the engine is running is messy but is really quick once you gte the hang of it.
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I've done it every way under the sun and I used to swear by doing it running, that is until I figured out how to do it cold. Unfortunately my method only works well if the engine has been run recently and the lifters are fully pumped up. Obviously that doesn't work on a an engine that hasn't been run. In which I case I try to get them close but loose and allow the engine to run long enough to pump up the lifters, then I shut it off and adjust it the way I usually do.
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I have only adjusted SOLID lifter engines while running hot, with a feeler gauge for the gap. My old 71 dodge had non-adjusting rocker arms, they all ran on a hollow tube. The only way to adjust the valves was to change the lenght of the pushrod tubes.
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Originally Posted by Quiktrp94
Not to steal the thread, but I think that old motorhead got the advice he needed, so can some one explain to me the diff. between self adjusting and non self adjusting rockers? Thanks, Robert
All C4 and earlier SBC rocker arms are adjustable. It doesn't matter if they are stock, pallet type, roller tipped, full roller, self aligning, or non-self aligning. The valve train of the engine requires that there be an adjustment point. It is the LIFTERS that are/can be the self adjusting device in the valve train. Once the preload of hydraulic lifters is properly set, via the adjustable rocker arms, hydraulic lifters are self adjusting. They never have to be touched again through out their normal service life. Solid lifters need to be adjusted, periodically. It makes no difference whether the lifters are flat or roller. Mechanical/solid lifters = periodic adjustment. Hydraulic lifters = self adjusting.

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Thanks, that helps to make it clearer.
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Originally Posted by Nathan Plemons
I've done it every way under the sun and I used to swear by doing it running, that is until I figured out how to do it cold. Unfortunately my method only works well if the engine has been run recently and the lifters are fully pumped up. Obviously that doesn't work on a an engine that hasn't been run. In which I case I try to get them close but loose and allow the engine to run long enough to pump up the lifters, then I shut it off and adjust it the way I usually do.
The lifters do not have to be 'pumped up' to properly adjust. Hydraulic lifters all contain springs that will hold the plunger in the up position when not under load. When a valve is in the proper position to adjust, simply loosen the rocker until there is clearance, run it back down to zero and then add the desired amount of preload. When done properly, adjusting valves on either a hydraulic or mechanical lifter engine can be done every bit as accurately at rest (if not more so) than doing so on a running engine. With a little practice and a complete understanding of the procedure, anyone can do an excellent job of adjusting the valvetrain, put the covers on and forget it.
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What Corvette Kid said. A good adjustment can be done on an engine stand.
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