Switching Crossfire to TPI
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From: The Top of Utah
Originally Posted by BrianY(84-Crossfire)
haha, ever wonder why they didnt produce a 1983?? The joke at the plant is they call it the "caught-fire" not the "crossfire". Did you realize the plant had ALOT of these burn to the ground?
Brian Y.
Brian Y.
The TPI is a more technically advance system. But it is no more reliable than the simple TBI system, and the performance is only marginally better, at best. If you are not up to the challenge of figuring out the simple CFI engine, chances are the TPI will drive you nuts. Certainly the CFI has been surpassed over the past two decades, but for the effort and expense, a baby step to the TPI, isn't really the most efficient use of resources. I realize you are half way there, having purchased the parts. If you decide continue, good luck.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Winchester VA
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
My car is 23 years old. How many people that work in the "repair Hole" were there 22 to 23 years ago? How many were there when the engine WAS new, in 1982?
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
It would seem that someone from the birth place, ought to be able to make one of the most plentiful Corvettes ever produced, run like it is supposed to.
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From: Bowling Green Kentucky
Lots of guys are there that moved when the plant came to Bowling Green. The repair hole only consists of 8 guys and 3 of them were there in 1984. Yes I was aware that the CFI was used those 3 years on corvettes as well as it was used on other vehicles. I am not here to sling mud. The response is simple. If it was a superior way of injecting the fuel they would still be using it. I am sorry you got so cranky at my post and I am even more sorry that I responded in the crappy manner that I did. This is not the place. The fact still remains alot of these cars ran perfect and alot of them did not, just like other vehicles. I just happen to get one that was filled with random injection problems so I am making a simple choice to switch them out. The reason they were not produced had more to do with chasis problems than it did with engine problems. The CFI had simple problems that were worked out mostly late in the year however, they found a much more stable platform to use which was the TPI.
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by BrianY(84-Crossfire)
Lots of guys are there that moved when the plant came to Bowling Green. The repair hole only consists of 8 guys and 3 of them were there in 1984. Yes I was aware that the CFI was used those 3 years on corvettes as well as it was used on other vehicles. I am not here to sling mud. The response is simple. If it was a superior way of injecting the fuel they would still be using it. I am sorry you got so cranky at my post and I am even more sorry that I responded in the crappy manner that I did. This is not the place. The fact still remains alot of these cars ran perfect and alot of them did not, just like other vehicles. I just happen to get one that was filled with random injection problems so I am making a simple choice to switch them out. The reason they were not produced had more to do with chasis problems than it did with engine problems. The CFI had simple problems that were worked out mostly late in the year however, they found a much more stable platform to use which was the TPI.
The reason TPI was delayed had to do with licensing with Bosch and the fact that Cadillac had rights to it...
As for xfire, it isn't perfect... but if you REALLY want to upgrade, there are better ways to go than a 1985 TPI system.
It's not bad, mind you, but the ECU is rather crude (as mentioned earlier).
And the TPI is SO restrictive...
Just some thoughts... the only downside is that alternatives are not that affordable. However, once you go TPI, upgrades do exist... which is more than one can say about xfire (not saying none exist, it's just that the volume of parts for TPI is that much greater).
Melting Slicks
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From: Clifton Park NY
Originally Posted by bogus
I am curious where everyone is getting "three years" from... it was in existance for 1982 and 1984 model years... That is two years.).
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From: The Top of Utah
Originally Posted by BrianY(84-Crossfire)
If it was a superior way of injecting the fuel they would still be using it. I am sorry you got so cranky at my post
Originally Posted by BrianY(84-Crossfire)
The reason they were not produced had more to do with chasis problems than it did with engine problems.
Originally Posted by BrianY(84-Crossfire)
The CFI had simple problems that were worked out mostly late in the year however, they found a much more stable platform to use which was the TPI.
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From: The Top of Utah
Originally Posted by bogus
I am curious where everyone is getting "three" from... it was in existance for 1982 and 1984 model years... That is two years.
Two equals 1983 and
Three equals 1984
One, two, three. Get it? Or don't Firebirds and Camaros count as cars? Not to mention, of course the approx 1 1/2 years of 1984 Corvette production.
Originally Posted by bogus
However, once you go TPI, upgrades do exist... which is more than one can say about xfire.
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Heh, no wonder they say avoid the forums if you have real questions. Good luck guys. Hope he doesnt spam all your links this way. Thanks for the real help from the other guys. I wont be back.
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
One equals 1982
Two equals 1983 and
Three equals 1984
One, two, three. Get it? Or don't Firebirds and Camaros count as cars? Not to mention, of course the approx 1 1/2 years of 1984 Corvette production.
Two equals 1983 and
Three equals 1984
One, two, three. Get it? Or don't Firebirds and Camaros count as cars? Not to mention, of course the approx 1 1/2 years of 1984 Corvette production.
And I can count. I just don't buy it 100%... it's still only 2 model years. 1982 and 1984.
Why spend all the time and money to install a questionably better induction system (stock TPI) only to spend a fortune and redo all the labor to up grade it? If one cannot abide by the Crossfire, make the change only once and make it worthwhile. Instead of going off like a fart in a skillet.
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by BrianY(84-Crossfire)
Heh, no wonder they say avoid the forums if you have real questions. Good luck guys. Hope he doesnt spam all your links this way. Thanks for the real help from the other guys. I wont be back.
Burning Brakes
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From: Bradford Pa
Originally Posted by bogus
WTF are you talking about? Since when did the F-body use the xfire? They had single TBIs...
And I can count. I just don't buy it 100%... it's still only 2 model years. 1982 and 1984.
people do things in their own way, apparently this upsets you. deal with it.
And I can count. I just don't buy it 100%... it's still only 2 model years. 1982 and 1984.
people do things in their own way, apparently this upsets you. deal with it.
check the 82 thru 84 engine options for the F bodies, both 305 and 350 engines used CFI as the top option till TPI came along...it was also used in select pickup trucks as well...
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From: San Pedro CA
I have read tons about xfire, and have never heard it was used beyond the 1982 and 1984 Corvette.
Learn something new everyday.
BTW, this is the right way to exchange info... no accusations, no attitude... just free exchange.
Learn something new everyday.
BTW, this is the right way to exchange info... no accusations, no attitude... just free exchange.
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From: Webster Texas
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Hey y'all. The F-bodies use crossfire 305's in 82 and 83. In 84 the L69 305 HO was the top motor, the LG4 305 was base V-8 in F-bods. The single TB cars first apperared in 87 if memory serves correct and were rated 170-175hp or so. The TPI 305(F-body) and 350(Corvette only) debuted in 85. The 305 TPI was denutted in 86 to meet fed standards, the L69 HO discontinued. The 350 didn't show up till 87 in F-bodies.
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From: The Top of Utah
Originally Posted by bogus
WTF are you talking about? Since when did the F-body use the xfire?
Originally Posted by bogus
And I can count. I just don't buy it 100%... it's still only 2 model years. 1982 and 1984..
Originally Posted by bogus
people do things in their own way, apparently this upsets you. deal with it.
Originally Posted by bogus
Brian - don't let one ignorant know-it-all spoil your visit here.
Originally Posted by bogus
I have read tons about xfire, and have never heard it was used beyond the 1982 and 1984 Corvette.
Learn something new everyday.
BTW, this is the right way to exchange info... no accusations, no attitude... just free exchange.
Learn something new everyday.
BTW, this is the right way to exchange info... no accusations, no attitude... just free exchange.
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
One equals 1982
Two equals 1983 and
Three equals 1984
One, two, three. Get it? Or don't Firebirds and Camaros count as cars? Not to mention, of course the approx 1 1/2 years of 1984 Corvette production.
Two equals 1983 and
Three equals 1984
One, two, three. Get it? Or don't Firebirds and Camaros count as cars? Not to mention, of course the approx 1 1/2 years of 1984 Corvette production.
Originally Posted by bogus
I am curious where everyone is getting "three years" from... it was in existance for 1982 and 1984 model years... That is two years.
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From: San Pedro CA
Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
Since 1982, Mr. Misinformation.
OK! Don't buy it 100%. I'll give you a discount. But no matter how you slice it, or what you pay for it, 1 = 1982, 2 = 1983, 3 = 1984. One, two, three. That is THREE years of Crossfire production.
I have no problem dealing with it. It is his money. It DOES upset me to see resource wasted for no reason, but it is no skin off of by nose. Forewarned is forearmed.
Now THERE is an oxymoron. Which is it "ignorant"? Or "know-it-all"? If you pick ignorant, be sure to show what it was that made you make that accusation. Am I putting words in your mouth, again?
TONS?
Where is the accusation in that post? Attitude? There is no more attitude in my answer, above, than there is in your question.
Don't go getting all POed at ME, just because YOU don't know what you're talking about. Just take a deep breath.
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OK! Don't buy it 100%. I'll give you a discount. But no matter how you slice it, or what you pay for it, 1 = 1982, 2 = 1983, 3 = 1984. One, two, three. That is THREE years of Crossfire production.
I have no problem dealing with it. It is his money. It DOES upset me to see resource wasted for no reason, but it is no skin off of by nose. Forewarned is forearmed.
Now THERE is an oxymoron. Which is it "ignorant"? Or "know-it-all"? If you pick ignorant, be sure to show what it was that made you make that accusation. Am I putting words in your mouth, again?
TONS?
Where is the accusation in that post? Attitude? There is no more attitude in my answer, above, than there is in your question.
Don't go getting all POed at ME, just because YOU don't know what you're talking about. Just take a deep breath.
RACE ON!!!
I was expecting much more italics for making a mistake... even more bold... but you almost went easy... I am impressed.
However, it doesn't change the fact that attitude is the problem... and you are effectively bringing out the worst of mine.
If you want to be forwarned, you now have been.
Please note that I POLITELY accepted my error in the post above... which is more than you ever do when you are wrong... oh, wait, you are NEVER WRONG... I keep forgetting you are perfect in every respect... it must be a real bitch living in that skin everyday...
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Brian, you came here with a simple quest-and I for one as a forum member would like you to return again and let us know how it went.
You certainly didn't deserve to be greeted with such BS-to much of this childish behavior seems to be allowed!
You certainly didn't deserve to be greeted with such BS-to much of this childish behavior seems to be allowed!
Le Mans Master
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From: Louisiana
Yes Brian, If you are up to the task and think you will gain some improvements in going with a TPI I don't see a problem. After all this is your project and you asked some advise. I have never gone through this experience so my knowledge on this short. BTW there seems to be a pissing match ever week. 
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From: Santa Maria CA
for whatever its worth to ya Brian stay on this forum and learn from it. Just because Bogus and CFI-EFI are lightly chatting doesn't mean anything. They do it regularly. They know its nothing personal and the next day its all good. You can learn ALOT on this forum and nobody will flame you for asking a question....unless you ask it in the wrong way that is.
