code 36....Will not go any!!#$%@
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Drifting
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code 36....Will not go any!!#$%@
89, replaced all 3 relays, cleaned wiring, as per agents86 info, reset codes, after three starts. the codes reappear....what else may be wrong wtih the circuit? ECM was replaced for other reasons and is new
!.. the maff sensor is good as i tested it in the 87..it was good!
please help, thanks
i tempted to sell it soon. move to another C5 0r C6,
!.. the maff sensor is good as i tested it in the 87..it was good!
please help, thanks
i tempted to sell it soon. move to another C5 0r C6,
Le Mans Master
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When you say all 3 relays-Burnoff, power and fuel pump relay-right?
connections are clean a both MAF and ECM right? you've removed the air tube, looked into the MAY and saw all wires intact, I'm referring to the element wires.Oh, and you checked the wires going into the FP relay? Have you followed the FSMs trouble shooting to check for open circuits? That's all I can think of now...will wait for you to respond.
connections are clean a both MAF and ECM right? you've removed the air tube, looked into the MAY and saw all wires intact, I'm referring to the element wires.Oh, and you checked the wires going into the FP relay? Have you followed the FSMs trouble shooting to check for open circuits? That's all I can think of now...will wait for you to respond.
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Originally Posted by rick lambert
When you say all 3 relays-Burnoff, power and fuel pump relay-right?
connections are clean a both MAF and ECM right? you've removed the air tube, looked into the MAY and saw all wires intact, I'm referring to the element wires.Oh, and you checked the wires going into the FP relay? Have you followed the FSMs trouble shooting to check for open circuits? That's all I can think of now...will wait for you to respond.
connections are clean a both MAF and ECM right? you've removed the air tube, looked into the MAY and saw all wires intact, I'm referring to the element wires.Oh, and you checked the wires going into the FP relay? Have you followed the FSMs trouble shooting to check for open circuits? That's all I can think of now...will wait for you to respond.
i serious this beautiful bucket is going SOON!..
Le Mans Master
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I know you're frustrated and I will try to help....did you try putting the MAF from the 87 into the 89 ? that should totally eliminate the MAF. That will certainly narrow the problem and most likely lead us on to curing the problem.
Le Mans Master
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Sounds to me that if you replaced the burnoff, power, FP relay, MAF is known working, and checked the connections at the ECM. Then there is a problem with wiring. I would double check the wiring to rule out faulty ECM, usually the last on the list. What did you come to when following Agent86's FSM diagrams?
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From: CALGARY ab
Originally Posted by rick lambert
I know you're frustrated and I will try to help....did you try putting the MAF from the 87 into the 89 ? that should totally eliminate the MAF. That will certainly narrow the problem and most likely lead us on to curing the problem.
yes i inter changed maffs .. both work..!!
clean and checked pins at the ECM, i have sice started 3 times with no codes.. i trying it one more ttime.. now that makes 4 times...if it does it again.. good.. if not i wont need fix it going straight to the saturn dealer and trade it for A new "SKY"..roadster.ummmmmmmm
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From: CALGARY ab
Originally Posted by rick lambert
I know you're frustrated and I will try to help....did you try putting the MAF from the 87 into the 89 ? that should totally eliminate the MAF. That will certainly narrow the problem and most likely lead us on to curing the problem.
yes i inter changed maffs .. both work..!!
clean and checked pins at the ECM, i have sice started 3 times with no codes.. i trying it one more ttime.. now that makes 4 times...if it does it again.. good.. if not i wont need fix it going straight to the saturn dealer and trade it for A new "SKY"..roadster.ummmmmmmm
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From: CALGARY ab
Originally Posted by RRT vette
Well, before you have brain infarct. Check over the wiring again. With these car anything is possible 
. Remove the loom and look at the wires.
. Remove the loom and look at the wires.for now
.. thaanks for the help.. but you ever know may need help again ....
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From: CALGARY ab
Originally Posted by rick lambert
I happen to think you cured the problem by removing the parts and reconnecting the parts several times...which probably means you inadvertently cleaned a bad connection!!!!!!!!!
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From: CALGARY ab
Originally Posted by rick lambert
I happen to think you cured the problem by removing the parts and reconnecting the parts several times...which probably means you inadvertently cleaned a bad connection!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by korvette4u
that's a given...i took it for a drive and talked to it very nicely , ah baby are you gonna make it home tonite......
i have replaced just about everything. leaving the maff snsor out of (becuz both that i have been test working)....i have had it with this ... the car willl be sold in the near future...
ANY OFFERS..
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From: CALGARY ab
Originally Posted by rick lambert
You have already proven that you have a bad connection IMO.
i spend thousands on these two C4's i have.. too dam much!
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Just a suggestion but push the pins on the MAF wiring harness closer together with a small pick. This was my problem after my 383 went in and the frustration of playing for two weeks with it and buying another MAF to no avail made things worse. You've proven its something small, this might just be it. Doesn't cost you anything but 5 minutes. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by goldeneye_vet
Just a suggestion but push the pins on the MAF wiring harness closer together with a small pick. This was my problem after my 383 went in and the frustration of playing for two weeks with it and buying another MAF to no avail made things worse. You've proven its something small, this might just be it. Doesn't cost you anything but 5 minutes. Good luck!
ahh i get it, u want me to keep the roadster?
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If you have followed the diagnosis chart from the FSM to the letter and still have a code 36 after replacing all the know relays and MAF sensor then it is either on of these:
1. a short in one of the circuits.
2. a problem with one of the connections (burnoff relay, power relay, or MAF).
3. A faulty ECM itself. This is rare but does happen usually involving more than just a code 36.
1. a short in one of the circuits.
2. a problem with one of the connections (burnoff relay, power relay, or MAF).
3. A faulty ECM itself. This is rare but does happen usually involving more than just a code 36.