CA Emissions
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From: Sun City West Az
Originally Posted by Ruff Rider
So what your saying is just find a smoger that wont look but just snif's.......right ? 
Burning Brakes
Joined: Nov 2003
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From: Redding Ca
Here is my $.02 worth:
Everything that shows must be GM or have an EO#. But I do believe after the cat, anything reasonable goes. My last time in the smog station (stock 1988 at the time) I talked with the tester-guy. He said they did not really know too much about one year to the next as far as original equip, especially the older models like mine, so they just look to see if the parts look original. If not, they go to their computer and look up EO#'s. So headers are an obvious violation.
I can tell you all more my next time around when I show up with super ram, MSD, AFR heads (all have EO#'s).
In defense of CARB (not that I really care, but here is the story) the LA basin and most of the rest of the state was so bad, the feds threatened to cut off ALL highway funding if Ca did not come into compliance. I recall driving thru LA about 3pm on my way back from the service in about 1967, the smog was so thick all cars on the highway had their headlights on!
You could cut it with a knife!
I have no idea why Ca decided to go to overkill in coming into Fed compliance but we did. We have a lot of that doo-gooders out here. Be that as it may, I agree with Bogus, we are not doing a good thing when we foul the air just for the desire to go fast. We all pretty much can make a car go fast when emissions are disregarded,
but it does take some planning and thought to go fast AND have a clean running car. Nothing wrong with that.
As a state and a society, we had our shot at self-policing. This is a typical scenario as when an industry will not police itself, the govt regulators step in. Look at Enron, the accounting profession and now Sarbanes-Oxley. While those of us now complain about the header issue (I happen to agree), it is way past the time when we might have done something about it. We had our chance and blew it.
Everything that shows must be GM or have an EO#. But I do believe after the cat, anything reasonable goes. My last time in the smog station (stock 1988 at the time) I talked with the tester-guy. He said they did not really know too much about one year to the next as far as original equip, especially the older models like mine, so they just look to see if the parts look original. If not, they go to their computer and look up EO#'s. So headers are an obvious violation.
I can tell you all more my next time around when I show up with super ram, MSD, AFR heads (all have EO#'s).
In defense of CARB (not that I really care, but here is the story) the LA basin and most of the rest of the state was so bad, the feds threatened to cut off ALL highway funding if Ca did not come into compliance. I recall driving thru LA about 3pm on my way back from the service in about 1967, the smog was so thick all cars on the highway had their headlights on!
You could cut it with a knife! I have no idea why Ca decided to go to overkill in coming into Fed compliance but we did. We have a lot of that doo-gooders out here. Be that as it may, I agree with Bogus, we are not doing a good thing when we foul the air just for the desire to go fast. We all pretty much can make a car go fast when emissions are disregarded,
but it does take some planning and thought to go fast AND have a clean running car. Nothing wrong with that.As a state and a society, we had our shot at self-policing. This is a typical scenario as when an industry will not police itself, the govt regulators step in. Look at Enron, the accounting profession and now Sarbanes-Oxley. While those of us now complain about the header issue (I happen to agree), it is way past the time when we might have done something about it. We had our chance and blew it.
Last edited by GeosFun; Jun 12, 2006 at 03:57 PM.
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From: San Pedro CA
LA was the real problem... but the federal funding threats didn't kick in until the early 70s.
And LA wasn't alone... Pittsburgh, with all the steel mills, was a mess...
Now, southern cities, which have been immune to these problems, are getting into danger areas with their limits.
Denver has a similar problem as LA, they are on the eastern slope of the Rockies, and the air just slams into the hills, and stays is there. Give it a couple more years, and testing will kick in there.
I do agree, there are a lot of problems with the "do-gooders." However, I have a slightly different approach to it:
<WARNING!!! POLITICAL OPINION AHEAD!!!!>
We have created the so-called "nanny nation," because it is felt we are too damned stupid to take care of ourselves... to a degree, greed feeds this, not stupidity.
However, as we advance, the elected officials must justify their existance, so they take on some cause celeb and call it their own. And the next thing you know, we have turned nothing into the next big cause of death amongst Spanish-speaking Lithiuanain ship wreckers. It's crap.
It's why speeding fines in work zones are doubled and trippled... because of a perception that people could die... but they don't.
It's why kids are mandated to wear bicycle helmets, and if they don't, their parents should be locked up for endangerment.
Ugh. Don't get me started.
And LA wasn't alone... Pittsburgh, with all the steel mills, was a mess...
Now, southern cities, which have been immune to these problems, are getting into danger areas with their limits.
Denver has a similar problem as LA, they are on the eastern slope of the Rockies, and the air just slams into the hills, and stays is there. Give it a couple more years, and testing will kick in there.
I do agree, there are a lot of problems with the "do-gooders." However, I have a slightly different approach to it:
<WARNING!!! POLITICAL OPINION AHEAD!!!!>
We have created the so-called "nanny nation," because it is felt we are too damned stupid to take care of ourselves... to a degree, greed feeds this, not stupidity.
However, as we advance, the elected officials must justify their existance, so they take on some cause celeb and call it their own. And the next thing you know, we have turned nothing into the next big cause of death amongst Spanish-speaking Lithiuanain ship wreckers. It's crap.
It's why speeding fines in work zones are doubled and trippled... because of a perception that people could die... but they don't.
It's why kids are mandated to wear bicycle helmets, and if they don't, their parents should be locked up for endangerment.
Ugh. Don't get me started.
Burning Brakes
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From: Redding Ca
the next big cause of death amongst Spanish-speaking Lithiuanain ship wreckers.
Damn, I though Cal exempted them!
Seriously, I agree, beauracracys must justify their existence or (gasp) be terminated, as in, "We have achieved compliance, you don't need us anymore."
Damn, I though Cal exempted them!
Seriously, I agree, beauracracys must justify their existence or (gasp) be terminated, as in, "We have achieved compliance, you don't need us anymore."
